EVE General Discussion

You never noticed that after jumping through a gate, you don't appear on the exact same spot every time? You appear at a random point around 12K off the gate. Massive RNG right there.

You could have saved yourself all this trouble after the second time you jumped a gate.

...And the spot on this sphere of radius 2500 meters is still random.

My point was that the landing distance is constant (i.e. 2500m).

However, yes, due to the relationship of a landing target and nearby object, you may end up some other distance from that other object.

Hay, here is an idea. Give all ships jump drives and get rid of gates. Now you don't have to worry about gate camps and hunters have to actually hunt.

Lazy developers are lazy. But not as lazy as gate campers.

Don't forget shuttles!







@ OP You are the one who took out a npc corp pod in jita yesterday using a thrasher, nice troll.


This almost happened to me last week actually. Was running with crim flag and landed just short of the gate range, almost got done in. He got scram on me anyway and I took a few dents. Trying to kill my pod, I mean really, how rude.

At gates, in 400+ thrasher ganks, I've seen the opportunity to do it maybe 5 times, I think it happened once without a sebo, but then I can't know what the other guy was doing, maybe he cancelled the jump or for some reason warped to zero instead of jumping. If I wanted to do it I'd just run smartbombs, forget sebo'ing a thrasher.

I had thought the WTZ points on a gate were always at the 0m border of the gate though. If so and the max deviation is truly 2,500m it's a bit odd that you can land further than 2,500m out from the gate's 0m sphere. Unless it's that you land 2,500m away max once your ship has coasted to 0 and that small window is when you can be caught?


The most lazy are the people getting caught in gate camps that could have avoided it by scouting first.

You always land +-2500m from your warp target, that is why people make bookmarks 2500 inside everything to use it instantly up on arrival.

Yes, you have to go there once, make a bookmark 2500m inside (can be a little hard one some gates), then when going through again you warp to the bookmark, and as soon as out of warp you issue the Jump/Dock etc command.

Yes, it does feel rather stupid to need a bookmark for every gate and station in Eve.

Well it uses a pseudorandom number generator (probably MT19937), so if your point is that the numbers aren't truly random then I suppose that's true.
But otherwise I don't see what you're trying to say.

You're partially right - there is a sphere that contains all of the landing points for the gate or station. This "zero sphere" , as with the docking / activation radius for the station / gate is of sufficient size to encompass the entire model. Due to differing shapes, and odd protrusions on some of the models, and direction you're approaching from, your landing mark may or may not actually be within docking radius. This is why people will set up "true WTZ" bookmarks for stations. Gates are sufficiently large, and have a sufficiently large activation radius that you normally don't need to set a "true WTZ" bookmark for the gate.

One of the guys from E-Uni (IIRC, might've been one of the other big alliances) gave a speech on the landing mechanics during either the 2014 (or was it 2013?) Fanfest.

The reason a "zero sphere" is used, is because if you were actually to hit the zero point of the model (i.e. where the bracket is, more or less), you would ALWAYS bounce off in some random direction, going a bazillion m/sec. Think getting ejected from a POS shield when your CEO disallows corp usage (without the password), or getting rammed by a Mach while in something like a cruiser.


Now, what I meant by "2000 meters away" was that the zero sphere will always land you around a point that is some distance from the actual zero coordinate of the station. However, this is VERY model dependent -- both for your warp target, and on what you're flying. From the station / gate side, if you're landing in/near a part of the model that extends outward (Like this one), you can still be "2000 meters away" from the station, though your distance shows "zero" in your overview still. On the other hand, a station like this is likely to have a much tighter "zero sphere" as you ascend the "skyscraper" part, so you're likely to end up "farther away" if your starting location decides your ending location will be up there (rather than down near the undock).


Because of these discrepancies in the landing sphere, the model's "true zero", and the activation sphere, you have some instances where you have to be closer, or can get away with being farther than normally. For exapmle, on Caldari inter-regional gates (the ones that look like a pair of pillars) and hitting from the "narrow end" -- I've been 3-4,000 meters away (per overview) and still gotten through.