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Combat Destroyers (contrast with existing Attack Destroyers)
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Tusker Crazinski
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-01-02 18:56:49 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
A Catalyst with 8 medium neutron blasters would hit harder than a Brutix!



I'm actually of the mind that the attack battlecruisers would have been fine with just medium guns.


honestly this would have been cool as well. kinda like tier 3 battleships for BCs. that and you might not be completely screwed when a frig looks at you.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#22 - 2015-01-02 20:11:23 UTC
I'm sorry, but destroyers aren't in need of a "combat" variation. As they stand, it is possible to tank them almost to cruiser levels, or fit them as extremely high DPS glass cannons with good mobility and excellent application. Guess what the playerbase goes for, almost every time?

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#23 - 2015-01-02 21:53:52 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
I think destroyers have plenty attack power. What's lacking is one with a bit of meat. A destroyer that can actually survive combat with cruisers given they have a large enough sig radius to be vulnerable to cruiser weaponry.

So, a combat destroyer really needs some tanking bonuses, not more damage bonuses. Still, there's not a WHOLE lot of room for new T1 destroyers, regrettably (though I would like to see more T2 options as well as faction options)

It's called a cruiser.....
You are wanting to tank like a cruiser, fly a cruiser.
You want to sig tank a cruiser, fly an AF or Interceptor.

Where does this combat destroyer fit that doesn't overlap one of those two areas?
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-01-03 03:52:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
It's called a cruiser.....
You are wanting to tank like a cruiser, fly a cruiser.
You want to sig tank a cruiser, fly an AF or Interceptor.

Where does this combat destroyer fit that doesn't overlap one of those two areas?

Oh, somewhere in this general area:
http://www.canyontours.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/West-Rim.jpg

The gap between frigate and cruiser in terms of tank is pretty big. Allow me to outline it for you:

EHP of Merlin with max skills and MSE+AIF: 5920
EHP of Cormorant with max skills and MSE+AIF: 6974
EHP of Moa with max skills and MSE+AIF: 19,506

So the Moa has about 3.3x the EHP of the Merlin, more if you consider what you can get with having more slots and LSE costing a smaller percentage of the Moa's max powergrid. The Cormorant, on the other hand, has only 18% more EHP than the Merlin, despite being much larger and slower, and having fewer mid/low slots. Merlin has 7 total, Cormorant has 5 total, and Moa has 9 total.

I just want something with about 7-8 total mid/low slots, destroyer size/speed/sig radius/base HP, and a defense bonus. That will actually put its defenses somewhere between the agile Merlin and the tanky Moa. Somewhere in that huge chasm between them. Somewhere, in fact, closer to the Merlin, but not that small.

I'm not sure why you think I want a cruiser but maybe this will help:
1.) Cruisers use medium weapons. Destroyers use small weapons.
2.) Cruisers warp slower than destroyers.
3.) Cruisers have a lot more hit points and powergrid than destroyers.

And if that doesn't do it, here's the only other thing I can think of:
I'm not asking for a cruiser.
I'm not asking for a cruiser.
I'm not asking for a cruiser.
I'm not asking for a cruiser.
I'm not asking for a cruiser.
I'm not asking for a cruiser.
I'm not asking for a cruiser.
I'm not asking for a cruiser.
I'm not asking for a cruiser.
I'm not asking for a cruiser.

Are we clear now?

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-01-03 03:58:23 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
As they stand, it is possible to tank them almost to cruiser levels,

Prove it. Give me one destroyer fit that puts it anywhere near cruiser tank.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2015-01-03 11:06:05 UTC
Make a buff for dessys would require to buff cruisers etc that's like chain reaction.
it's a specific class of ships with specific role why to make them more powerful more specific. There are hundreds of mods to make them exactly you'd like to.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-01-03 12:22:09 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Make a buff for dessys would require to buff cruisers etc that's like chain reaction.

I'm not suggesting any buffs.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#28 - 2015-01-03 12:25:30 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Cute, but please try to keep it constructive. I do make troll posts from time to time, but this is not one of them.


You reap what you sow.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2015-01-04 01:00:04 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Make a buff for dessys would require to buff cruisers etc that's like chain reaction.

I'm not suggesting any buffs.


Any improvements considered as buff

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-01-04 01:27:04 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Any improvements considered as buff

What improvements have I suggested?

Please keep in mind that every bonus I have suggested comes with a counter-penalty.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Lienzo
Amanuensis
#31 - 2015-01-04 02:48:24 UTC
Dictors actually have pretty good EHP because of standard t2 troll resists. I usually see them fit anywhere between 6-13k EHP. This proposed ship probably wouldn't fill any gap not already covered by them, unless you are just looking at t1 options.

Consequently, dictors mainly get blapped off the field by the tengu or other heavy turrets rather than by anti-frigate dessie squads.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-01-04 03:51:25 UTC
I'll admit I never tried using an interdictor but I really was looking at cheaper and less skill-intensive options. I can easily fly an interdictor with my 70+ million SP, but that wasn't an option of mine till more recently. There are still a lot of T2 ships I can't fly, but I've been able to fly all the T1 subcap ships for most of my time in EVE.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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