EVE General Discussion

10 million ISK.
310 million if you're a Freighter.
Probably about 10 billion ISK if you actually want them to honour it.

Or you could just kill them. Y' know, with a Catalyst. A eye for an eye makes the whole world prosperous. Wasn't that how it goes?

Thanks, that is a nice little money maker for them if people actually pay.

After nearly 9 years of playing I have yet to be suicide ganked.

A wheelchair? Anyways, a permit is only 10M ISK and is good for a whole year. For that price, it would be silly not to by the permit - almost 10 trillion ISK has been destroyed by the CODE. alliance alone, much of which would have been spared if pilots just paid the pittance for a permit which even a highsec miner can earn in an hour or two.

Even if you think it is unlikely we will find you, it just makes economic sense for that extra bit of safety while operating in our territory.


What are you going on about? The CODE. alliance won the tournament before it even started, and then made history by going undefeated. Ask a hundred highsec miners if they remember who CCP declared the winner and I bet you will not get even one correct answer. In fact, more will probably answer Code than anything else.

This is more proof that emergent content and our brand of elite PvP trumps inconsequential structured "PvP" in this beautiful sandbox that is Eve.

currently the best way to counter ganking efficently is to be somewhere else as a solo Miner. Eden is big enough to find a system where gankers usually do not show up.

Ganking looks for 2 factors in general:
a) targets
b) time to take those targets down.

If you are in a 0.5 System with lots of miners you will likely get ganking attention. In a 0.8 or 0.9 System with 5 - 10 Miners gankers are less likely to show up. The Security rating in a system tells you something about how long Concord needs to jump into the system and destroy the ganking ship. The amount of miners show you how much fun there is.

You can be ganked in all system, it is a question of firepower the gankers bring with em.

BTW I am not sure about 1.0 System, it maybe that this system because they are starting systems, ganking maybe sanctioned by higher authorities. As a beginner I would try a petition in this systems. (I think it is fruitless elsewere)

Beware that not all Gankers are part of CODE. There are some not flying the ganking color right away. I recommend to start chatting with other miners in the system. They can share the information who to look out for.

"Solo" ganking always consist of a pair of 2 ships. 1 for Ganking and 1 for scouting & looting. Knowing the scout can also be a good preparation.

Be carefull with Combat Drones. They can be used to lure you in a attack position. I am unsure if this ganking tactics is prohibited or not. The Operative loss and the trouble is yours to start with. If you are a good skilled Drone pilot 2 combat Drones are usually enough for High sec Pirates. You may want to deploy the others 3 as defensive (repair drones) or E-War drones depending of your style of operations. Defensive drones can help to enhance your defensiv capabilities further in a mining fleet. E-War Drones can cause the ganker to loose target, which is imho most efficent tactics to survive in a direct confrontation. Time is always on your side, and the Drone Damage does not matter imho you will not be faster then concord. Win time until the Caverally shows up.

Skilling is one of the most important things when you get into a confrontation. Especially with gankers.
Since as pointed out the defensive Attributes are most important, you should look up following certificates
and keep those in shape. (you find them by clicking on your portrait in the menubar and select the Skills folder + Certificates tab)

1. engeneering -> core Spaceship Operation
2. Shields -> Shield tanking
3. Shields -> reinforcment
4. Armor -> armor tanking
5. Armor -> reinforcement

I hope this thoughts helps miners to make it more chellangeing for gankers. Please consider the other advices too. The fitting posted earlier is nice, however you need the skills for it. And you need to understand how the fitting is working. Why it is working.
I had a lot of fitting discusions, and the most annoying ones were those in which people throw fittings around them without understanding what the fitting was doing and why it is better then another fitting. Even if the ones shown were apropriate, the discussion was fruitless since they could not argue on another fittings performance compared to theirs.

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Aischa Montagne

Note: sorry for the spelling mistakes.

Look the best way to avoid bottom feeders is to not hang out on the bottom.

That might mean taking your mining operations into a corporation with their own space.

As someone who spent a good month high sec mining (im a new player) and now mining in nullsec....its a big mindset difference.

In high sec there are so many random people everywhere its hard to know, even with setting corps -10.00, who you need to avoid, without learning the hard way over and over. Its easy to glaze over, ignore whos in local (too many to track tbh) and not have a good escape plan or escape fit because, well high sec, your automatically off guard.

In null (and im sure low) sec, you can pretty much assume that non friendly locals are there to gank you, and its easier to take precaution until you get someone to get a visual on the non friendly. You are in the mind set that ganks are coming with the territory and are fit for it, with an escape route, and its FAR easier to monitor local chat for gankers.

Sure youll have to deal with sparse markets not being in a high sec trade hub, and hauling through really dangerous space if you want to sell there....

If you want to mine in high sec, what I did, and it did work, was I went away from the main trade hub about 9 jumps away, and tried to find a 0.7 (i wanted to not be on the edge of low sec but far enough from 1.0 to avoid the crowds) system that was a dead end (less people passing by traveling) and loaded my ore into the station there, while mining I was able to recognize the few regulars who mined there as well. Then I just dealt with the 9 jump trip to the trade hub to dump.

Basically don't be afraid to check out a lot of high sec systems, even if they are in another races territory, find one with a lot of belts (harder for a ganker to do a quick check when there are 15 belts vs 4, sometimes gankers will just check on their way passing through), between the uber high traffic of 1.0 and the low sec border, preferably in a system that's a dead end, and set up shop there for a while.

That or get into a low/null sec corp/alliance and at least when you get ganked it wont be by the bottom feeders of eve.

People talk tough on the forums about hiring mercs, "killing" CODE's Catalysts (lol?) and all this defiant stuff...

In game they do none of this and their mining barges explode just the same as everyone elses.

Name-calling from SMA. LOL.



I assume every single Eve player is out to get me, regardless of the sec status of whatever system I'm currently in. Because of this I generally don't get asploded, though I'm prone to the occasional bout of dumb, which usually leads to a dead orca. That's ok, though, because orcas must die.

Learn.

This is the difference between good EVE players and Bad. Good players assume the worst and when that doesn't happen they are pleasantly surprised.

I've heard people say the same thing the SMA guy said (ie "high sec is hard because you can't just look at local and tell who is a threat) and I find that way of thinking insane. If you are being smart and careful and are not war-decced you don't even need to have local up. I don't at all when I incursion. ALL you have to do is be sure your ship isn't a juicy target and (or) has enoguh EHP to survive in the system you are in till CONCORD arrives. That's it.

7 years missioning, flying pirate faction battleships in those missions, flying 5 bil isk Vindicators in ISN and TVP (among others) incursion fleets and not a single successful gank (and only a handful of attempts against me). And yet every time i turn around some miner or other is whining, even after CCP handed them better tanked mining ships.

Not being able to make yourself almost 100% safe in high sec is like saying "I can't get laid in a brothel despite the fact that I'm carrying 1 million bucks in cash in a suit case" lol

Im not sure that SMA has declared war on all high sec miners, and I know we don't avoid setting foot in null sec.

You might not like SMA because it looks cool or because you are in an enemy alliance, but comparing SMA to CODE is kind of silly.

Not saying people in SMA don't gank in high sec, but our sole purpose isn't to feed on new players mining in high sec.


For what its worth, we live in places where you can come kill us without concord to save us, we have assets you could, if you wanted to, destroy, and we do fight back. you can LOL all you want but this is about CODE and other bottom feeders who wont set foot in a dangerous system let along flap their assets out in null.