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Do you have to have a permit to mine in high sec?

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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#61 - 2015-01-02 02:49:55 UTC
Aleksi Bocharov wrote:
Alana Packham wrote:
CODE are a joke, gang up with a few other local miners, fly a skiff, and start charging THEM for entering a system and they will wet themselves and cry to their mommies all night.


Actually, if it were me I would just ship into an SFI and do some old school bumping.

Oh the rage is glorious when their Skiff goes flying 30km with each gentle nudge.

Has anyone bumped a barge with a Higgs Anchor Freighter? That'd be pretty funny.
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#62 - 2015-01-02 03:30:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Bing Bangboom
The actual answer is, yes you do.

Now the ISD is correct that CCP doesn't require it. The anti-Code posters are also correct, its your choice. You can try the, mostly bad, advice they provide. Of course, they don't provide you with any actual support to allow you to defy CODE., being forum alts, but they make very brave and defiant posts here where they are only ganked by their own rediculousness.

But here's the thing. If you choose to mine in a New Order system, those with sec status between .5 and 1.0 without a permit which is only one part of the full New Halaima Code of Conduct (www.minerbumping.com), you are subject to the following:

1) Bumpng
2) Ganking
3) Destruction of your corp or alliance
4) Confiscation of some or all of your ingame assets
5) Public humiliation at your impotent defiance on the www.minerbumping.com blog

OR you can make the very wise economic decision to buy a mining permit for 10,000,000 ISK for one full year, good for all of highsec. You still have to follow the rest of the Code of course.

Lots of miners and other highsec civilians have made the decision to forgo a permit. Almost 62,000 ships and pods, over 9 trillion ISK of illegal mining and hauling equipment has been the price. Over 1 trillion ISK in December 2014 alone. And yet you have posters here saying CODE. is a joke and that you can easily avoid them. I'm sure the 5122 pilots who died to CODE. in December would like the chance to rethink their decisions. Often the lack of a 10 million ISK permit cost them multiple billions in losses.

Heres a way to know who to believe. Go to zkillboard and look at the killboards of the people here giving you advice to defy the New Order. Then look at the killboard for CODE. I'm assuming you are of average or even higher IQ. The answer should be obvious.

Contact the Agent who told you that you needed a permit. Send him 10 million ISK and agree to support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec. Go to www.minerbumping.com and read The Code. Follow the VERY good advice you find there and get on with your life in highsec. Or don't buy a permit.....

We'll be around directly.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2015-01-02 03:55:59 UTC
Bianca Silver wrote:
Alana Packham wrote:
CODE are a joke, gang up with a few other local miners, fly a skiff, and start charging THEM for entering a system and they will wet themselves and cry to their mommies all night.

I don't even know who my mother is.

Why do people always generalize? Straight



It's ok. As long as you know who your friends are, you'll get by.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#64 - 2015-01-02 04:24:24 UTC
Zetaomega333 wrote:
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Naturalcause Lemon wrote:
I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere?

CODE. is a high-sec ganking alliance.

Anything CODE says is Role Play, and shouldn't be taken seriously.

So the answer is very simple, and you can absolutely continue solo play. You are not 'fully safe' anywhere, but you can take precautions to ensure that such a thing won't happen so often (if at all).

So, add the alliance "CODE." as a contact, and set them to -10.0. When they appear in Local, they'll have a red mark on their portrait, and you'll be able to see it, so you'll know what they're going to do. Dock up preemptively.

But the biggest thing you can do is don't be fully AFK.
Check your D-Scan every now and then, and browse Local when you feel like it for players with Negative Security Status (positive Security Status players can still gank you, but it's less likely. You always lose Security Status with Highsec ganks).

Stay aligned (facing) [insert celestial object here] so you can warp out quickly when you see someone on grid.

Getting a Procurer or a Skiff is also a good idea.
Do you need a new Barge?


It never has mattered what way you are facing as your time to warp is dependant on how long it takes you to get to warp speed and the direction your ship is facing has no impact on that. It will take the same amount of time if you are facing where you are warping or if you are facing the other way.

Is that so?
Well I never. I've always assumed your ship gains velocity towards the direction you are aligning when you are facing that direction. I've being totally misinterpreting aligning mechanics.

Well, that makes my life ALOT easier. I guess now I've got to delete my 200+ Stargate directional bookmarks.
But heck, no matter.

Thank you greatly, kind sir.
Keno Skir
#65 - 2015-01-02 05:43:08 UTC
Naturalcause Lemon wrote:
Thats the thing. I understand ganking experienced players who know better and know alot about this game but im pretty new. I mean, ive had this account for a few years, but ive only ever played for like 3 months. After they killed my ship, I have nothing.... I have like an ibis 10 jumps away but thats it... I had a mackinaw....


So just use the other cash you had saved to buy another Mack. You weren't flying something you couldn't afford to replace were you?

Cus that would be down right stupid wouldn't it?

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Daniel Jackson
Universal Exos
#66 - 2015-01-02 05:48:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Jackson
there are many places you can find in highsec to mine, just mine far away from any market hubs or noob starter systems and then you should be fine

you do not need any permit what so ever (even if you buy a permit from them they will still blow you up) cause its a scam

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Keno Skir
#67 - 2015-01-02 05:55:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Zetaomega333 wrote:
It never has mattered what way you are facing as your time to warp is dependant on how long it takes you to get to warp speed and the direction your ship is facing has no impact on that. It will take the same amount of time if you are facing where you are warping or if you are facing the other way.


This isn't true at all. Zetaomega333 you should potentially spend more time learning eve and less teaching it at this stage.

Being aligned means you are already moving at or above warp speed in the direction of your warp destination.

If you are stationary you will take the same time to reach minimum warp speed regardless which way you were originally facing. That said if you are stationary then you are not aligned (see above).

If your ship is moving but not in the direction of your required warp alignment this can either mildly or very seriously effect the time it takes you to actually enter warp.

If anyone wants to message me i'll teach you a trick to warp your battleship so fast it doesn't have time to turn around and warps off sideways or even backward :D

Anyway back to the real topic. Ignore CODE and go mine in one of the many many systems they hardly enter.

Failing that FIT SOME KIND OF TANK. It seems obvious but many miners overlook this incredibly important feature.

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Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#68 - 2015-01-02 06:53:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Ruckert
Tanked and rigged Procurers laugh at CODE mining permits.

"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#69 - 2015-01-02 07:54:50 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Zetaomega333 wrote:
It never has mattered what way you are facing as your time to warp is dependant on how long it takes you to get to warp speed and the direction your ship is facing has no impact on that. It will take the same amount of time if you are facing where you are warping or if you are facing the other way.


This isn't true at all. Zetaomega333 you should potentially spend more time learning eve and less teaching it at this stage.

Being aligned means you are already moving at or above warp speed in the direction of your warp destination.

If you are stationary you will take the same time to reach minimum warp speed regardless which way you were originally facing. That said if you are stationary then you are not aligned (see above).

If your ship is moving but not in the direction of your required warp alignment this can either mildly or very seriously effect the time it takes you to actually enter warp.

You literally repeated what he had just said.

I had thought direction affected align time.

In my first post I had meant 'stay aligned' as in stay facing the direction of warp-out. Mining while at warp-out speed is rather daft, as you'd overshoot the Asteroids you are mining rather quickly.

I appreciate Zetaomega333 telling me this.

Keno Skir wrote:
If anyone wants to message me i'll teach you a trick to warp your battleship so fast it doesn't have time to turn around and warps off sideways or even backward :D
Warping to the centre of a star isn't that new of a concept.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#70 - 2015-01-02 08:18:07 UTC
OP - A little more advice from a CODE member.

We are, as you have perhaps discovered, an extortion racket, as well as a bunch of people that love shooting spaceships.

Whether you acquiesce to our demands or not is entirely your choice. If you elect to do so, you will have our word that we won't attack you - you can decide upon the worth of this word yourself. I personally have shot a permit holder exactly once, and that was after establishing that they were almost certainly running a bot. (I also reported them to CCP for doing so and provided extensive evidence, and a few weeks later they posted a thread on this very forum saying 'waa I was accused of botting when I wasn't and got temp banned').

If you elect not to do so - we will, of course, have to shoot your ships some of the times that we see them. If we do not do so, we devalue our permit product. We may not come for you tomorrow, or next week, but we have a pretty wide reach in highsec and can definitely project force elsewhere when we see fit.


The gank was nothing personal. In other MMOs, you wouldn't use a potion that cost a third of your total in-game wealth, no matter how good its temporary effects are. In EVE, you shouldn't undock a ship you cannot afford to lose, as your ships are always mere consumables. We just help speed up the consumption process.



If you really want to learn how to avoid suicide ganking, by far the best way is to gank for a while. Learn the limitations gankers face, and learn to exploit them.

Mining aligned to safespots above and below a belt, for instance, dramatically increases your survivability and only reduces your yield if you stuff it up. If I saw a belt with one miner bouncing between alignment to an above-belt safe and alignment to a below-belt safe, and a second miner orbiting an asteroid, I'd gank the orbiter.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Keno Skir
#71 - 2015-01-02 08:59:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
In my first post I had meant 'stay aligned' as in stay facing the direction of warp-out. Mining while at warp-out speed is rather daft, as you'd overshoot the Asteroids you are mining rather quickly.


1. You used the word "Aligned" incorrectly so can't really call me out on this.

2. If mining while Actually Aligned seems daft to you, you aren't smart enough to make your own safe's for when you mine. These safes will allow you to be aligned for warp 98% of the time you're mining, you just need one each end of your usual mining systems.

I didn't repeat what he said, i added some information that is actually quite relevant to alignment / warping. Regardless if you know enough to notice it Pirate

Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Keno Skir wrote:
If anyone wants to message me i'll teach you a trick to warp your battleship so fast it doesn't have time to turn around and warps off sideways or even backward :D
Warping to the centre of a star isn't that new of a concept.


You don't know the trick i'm talking about since you can use it to warp anywhere and it involves no stars, quit trying to "beat" me and falling flat on your face.

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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#72 - 2015-01-02 09:24:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Keno Skir wrote:
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
In my first post I had meant 'stay aligned' as in stay facing the direction of warp-out. Mining while at warp-out speed is rather daft, as you'd overshoot the Asteroids you are mining rather quickly.


1. You used the word "Aligned" incorrectly so can't really call me out on this.

2. If mining while Actually Aligned seems daft to you, you aren't smart enough to make your own safe's for when you mine. These safes will allow you to be aligned for warp 98% of the time you're mining, you just need one each end of your usual mining systems.

I didn't repeat what he said, i added some information that is actually quite relevant to alignment / warping. Regardless if you know enough to notice it Pirate

Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Warping to the centre of a star isn't that new of a concept.


You don't know the trick i'm talking about since you can use it to warp anywhere and it involves no stars, quit trying to "beat" me and falling flat on your face.

Yeah, I know. I was using the dictionary definition, so, I'm very sorry.

For the second point, I don't mine, and I hadn't thought of Up/Down bookmarks until Sabriz said it --so, look, I'm not trying to "beat" you at all. I never said that. Where did I say that?

I had obviously assumed your posting intentions incorrect:
Keno Skir wrote:
This isn't true at all. Zetaomega333 you should potentially spend more time learning eve and less teaching it at this stage.

Because it sure didn't sound like you were agreeing with him, any yet you had the very same type of information that he had posted.

Quote:
Something about Battleships...
Obviously there's more to warping your ships than just solely using your warp-drives.
Statis Webifiers, Mobile Structures, etc.
If you told me the 'trick' I would more than likely know it already. If not (I doubt it), then it probably wouldn't be of any benefit to me.

Want to bash me some more? Go ahead.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#73 - 2015-01-02 10:20:41 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Bing Bangboom wrote:
Now the ISD is correct that CCP doesn't require it.

That said the discussion could be over.

Bing Bangboom wrote:

The anti-Code posters are also correct

Of course.

Bing Bangboom wrote:

You can try the, mostly bad, advice they provide. Of course, they don't provide you with any actual support to allow you to defy CODE., being forum alts, but they make very brave and defiant posts here where they are only ganked by their own rediculousness.

"We" are not not stupid or carebears or something codies say we are.
Lets quote Confucius:
"give a man a fish, you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish, you feed him for life."

"We" are miners not defenders and not white knights. (No whiteknights either, its business)
However this "bad" choice, are in fact the best choices:
- Do not be an easy target.
- be watchful of your surroundings.
- move your mining ship, standing still makes it easier to jump on you. ganking ships have a short range and gankers have a short time window to act.
- get a decent tank that could keep you alive until concord comes.
- being in a group reduces the chance that "you" are chosen.
- do not talk to codies, since thats where they are "fishing" for emotional reactions, or stories for their ridiculous blog.
- join a corps and move to nullsec. (earnings *are* better) EDIT: you will see that are more cool miners around, just not in hisec anymore. Funny thing the most do not write here in the Forums.
- make them "work" to kill you, codies go for easy weak targets that ignore this tipps.

Still: THIS IS EVE! There is no absolute safety.

Bing Bangboom wrote:

...
4) Confiscation of some or all of your ingame assets
5) Public humiliation at your impotent defiance on the www.minerbumping.com blog

Look at that...
Remember:
DO NOT TALK TO CODE!!
codies will save you reactions as tears and will humiliate anyway on their blogs even if you buy a permit.
any gr will be considered tears and codies f-pp over that. If you get to upset, your reaction will be send to CCP as RL threat.

And 4:
They cannot to that! Acting like they are something somehow official from CCP is some thing they try from time to time until they get slapped on the fingers by CCP.

Follow my tipps and you will be not ganked by codies as my indu-alts where not ganked.

PS: Yes check the killboards:
You will see those victims did not follow those ag tips.
Completly undertanked Orcas with some 60000 damage instead 160000 and more that are easily doable.
Same goes for the rest of the ship. My skiff have more EHP than those orcas.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Black Pedro
Mine.
#74 - 2015-01-02 10:46:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
La Rynx wrote:

And 4:
They cannot to that! Acting like they are something somehow official from CCP is some thing they try from time to time until they get slapped on the fingers by CCP.

Of course we can demand a permit. The New Order has made a claim on all of highsec and we back up that claim with guns.

We are playing Eve like it was designed by CCP.

Buy a permit and get compliant with the Code or risk losing your ship, or better yet, come at us with your own guns. It really quite that simple OP.

We are the true heroes of Eve for bringing excitement to often-dull highsec.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#75 - 2015-01-02 10:52:57 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Yes, I am the proud posessor of a CODE 12 month mining and hauling permit.

I may not display it in my bio because that's for normal people to do, plus there's no room.

But never the less, I do have one and you can learn more by reading last July's exciting entry in my wormhole diaries.

/Shameless plug


I had been about to write a snarky comment about somebody actually willing to mine / haul for 12 months to begin with.

But then I recalled that for a while I found mining a relaxing post-work low effort activity.... but then... when CODE came to "my" system I hired people to kill them. That's what racketeers get from me: a missile up their butt.

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#76 - 2015-01-02 11:09:04 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I had been about to write a snarky comment about somebody actually willing to mine / haul for 12 months to begin with.

But then I recalled that for a while I found mining a relaxing post-work low effort activity.... but then... when CODE came to "my" system I hired people to kill them. That's what racketeers get from me: a missile up their butt.

You see? The Code always wins!

We have been bringing quality emergent content to highsec for over two years, spicing up gameplay there for everyone. Fighting us is one option, and is totally a valid one.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#77 - 2015-01-02 11:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Black Pedro wrote:
La Rynx wrote:

And 4:
They cannot to that! Acting like they are something somehow official from CCP is some thing they try from time to time until they get slapped on the fingers by CCP.

Of course we can demand a permit. The New Order has made a claim on all of highsec and we back up that claim with guns.

And you get answered by Concorde.

Black Pedro wrote:

Buy a permit and get compliant with the Code or risk losing your ship

You sound like a door-to-door salesman in a wheelchair.
This is EvE, there is always a chance to lose the ship.
A permit is good only for codies making fun of permit buyers.

Black Pedro wrote:

, or better yet, come at us with your own guns. It really quite that simple OP.

Or use the antigank tips.
Or hire some mercs.
Or other stuff.
Just do not submit to Jerks.

Black Pedro wrote:

We are the true heroes of Eve for bringing excitement to often-dull highsec.

No you are not heroes. You feed on the weak. You try to missinform them to keep your easy victims. You do everything for yourself and not for the sake of EvE. You are the most incapable PvPlers hiding inhisec yourself.
Bear

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#78 - 2015-01-02 11:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Black Pedro wrote:
La Rynx wrote:

And 4:
They cannot to that! Acting like they are something somehow official from CCP is some thing they try from time to time until they get slapped on the fingers by CCP.

Of course we can demand a permit. The New Order has made a claim on all of highsec and we back up that claim with guns.

Guns? Firepower?

Again AT 2014:
One claim was that code was busy enforcing code...

On the other hand loyalanon committed, that he had not 12 capable and willing pilots for the AT.
Even the Joke of a catalyst run was them denied.
CODE=300 alts
but less than 100 players.

Supporters do not count.
Blink

No, you do not have enough guns or firepower.
But you DO have a lot of alts.
No much use after the last multibox changes.

Black Pedro wrote:

We are playing Eve like it was designed by CCP.

You {Snip.} around hisec and blame and anoy other players doing the same.

:P

Edit: Circumventing the profanity filter is not allowed -- ISD LackOfFaith

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#79 - 2015-01-02 11:55:50 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
Blah

La Rynx, you are becoming a victim of your own suggestion. "Do not talk to them" I thought, you said.
You are aware that their posts are to evoke that kind of reaction, so whatever is the reason this bothers you so?
Dominique Vasilkovsky
#80 - 2015-01-02 12:31:30 UTC
So how much is one of these permits anyways?