Ships & Modules

To put it simply, Torps don't hurt frigates. Torpedos are for BS. Use rockets to gank explorers. If someone is one shotting frigs with Torps it must be standing still and painted heavily. Or just luck.

Also a scrambler won't stop him going through the hole. Scan down a site and wait.

And don't feel bad, I tried the same thing way back on my Hound.

They probably had rockets fit, less DPS, much better applied damage. If the target is running his MWD, it can also make a huge difference in applied damage WRT Torpedoes.

I really don't understand I figured torps being such needy in requirements it would be very high in damage.

So can you explain, in detail, why this didn't work for me, and what works better. Cause I see people like wingspantt blowing people up with torpedoes, and I am like, how the hell?

They are very high damage. It just boils down to "damage application."


Okay so...

There is "raw damage" and "applied damage."

"Raw damage" is the maximum potential damage your ship can pump out (measured both in "damage per second" and "volley damage")

"Applied damage" is the amount of damage you actually do when all the variables of the weapon itself and the target are taken into account.
Such variables include, but are not limited to:
- size of the target ship versus size of the weapon (signature radius versus signature resolution/explosion radius)
- angle/speed of the target ship versus tracking/explosion velocity of the weapon
- damage resistances of the target ship versus damage type of the weapon/ammo


In the case of your torpedo-slinging Stealth Bomber versus the Astero...

- Torpedoes have an explosion radius of ~450m. An Astero has a sig radius of 35m. So Torps will have their damage reduced by a VERY large margin.
- You say the Astero was standing still. This means that it was well within the Torps explosion velocity of of 71 m/sec and no damage was being mitigated this way.
- One can never be 100% certain how a target ship is fitted. So you cannot know how high its damage resistances were. But, if it was using a fit similar to mine, it would probably have ~70% reistances across the board (meaning that only 30% of the damage after the first two factors are considered would actually apply).


Now there are ways to stack the odds more in your favor.

- Target painters can drastically increase the "size" of the target... allowing for greater damage application.
- Certain rigs can effectively "increase" the Torpedoes' explosion velocity... allowing for greater damage application.
- Or you can fit certain weapons (like rockets) to be effective against certain targets... at the cost of being ineffective against others.

I use torps almost exclusively, but when I hit explorer frigs, they are typically at a standstill and have at least one TP on them. If you want to hit combat capable ships like an astero, your Torps will likely do pitiful damage and you'd be better off using rockets. If you're running a manticore solo with Torps, your range of targets is limited: explorer frigs, indys and miners. I've had luck against destroyers, but that only because they were horribly fit and were the exception, not the rule.

i believe wingspan said in one of his videos he runs flares for his bomber. two t2 flare rigs plus 2 t2 tps, near perfect skills and some good implants will have you ripping frigs up. also i never used to have a scram on a bomber. way i figured, if they are going to use it to run, it blooms their sig and ill only get 1-2 shots off and with that increased sig it usually spells death.

2 T2 Rigors in "The Nemesis of my Nemesis is my... Nemesis?"
1 T2 Rigor and something else (Poly?) in the fitting video.

Edit:
Oh... and don't fit rockets to your Stealth Bomber OP. They would apply better on small targets but you're sacrificing everything else. There may be people out there who can make a rocket fit work but their target selection and usage criteria will be very particular to their own game.
Look at how the missile damage formula builds and look at how much your TPs will inflate your target versus your torp explosion radius. The Astero can be a tough little nut to crack, don't be too put off because one gets away.

because probably they have better skills, havin a character that just hopped in a torpedo boat with lv3-4 skills and one with all lv5 skill really help when fighting difficult targets, plus some minor fitting difference like rigs or target painter can close the gap even more

Im delighted to see so many informative and detailed posts, for me to read.

Thanks all, I understand Eve a little bit more now, thanks ALOT!