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C5/6 solo dread.... is it a thing?
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Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#61 - 2015-01-13 07:47:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Chris Winter
Played around a bit on the test server with a somewhat underskilled (T1 siege) Moros pilot to see if our theories about tracking them once they're in orbit actually hold water. Using 3x TPs, 2x TCs, and a TE in the lows, I was consistently able to hit any guardians that made it to 35km, although not for very much damage. It took a couple minutes each, which is far from ideal, but it does mean you'd able to finish off one or two BSes that manage to get to orbit with only one extra siege cycle. Certainly better than sitting there for ages trying to kill them. Obviously, you'd be even better off on the live server, with access to faction modules (and not-awful skills).

As for the Phoenix, I haven't found a black hole on sisi yet, and anyway I won't have anywhere near the needed skills to come close to doing it in a single siege cycle until after another couple of mass tests...
Violent Grey
Illicit Expo
#62 - 2015-01-13 15:53:10 UTC
Solo, running alts, or in a group fleet, c5 and c6 anoms are no laughing matter for the underskilled and inexperienced. I have only run escalations in group fleet configurations. Recently i have been wanting to set up a four account system for blitzing these escalations on with all waves. Sisi is handy, eft and eve hq, allow the planning and preperation for fits, but i assume the only way to find out is by trial and error. If i could escalate all waves in a c5 myself with alts ofc, i will be a happy camper. Ofc you can do anything with corpmates, but then with alts or purely solo, that is another story. I just hope by the time my chars are ready, ccp doesnt nerf the crap out of whs or capitals or some ****, cause ill be really sad, i enjoy the solo part of eve the most tbh. My plan is to train two carrier and two dread pilots, and run the entire site under a half hour. I have another year to go of training i assume, hopefully the mechanics wont change too much by that time.

From what i have seen on yt and read in guides, it is possible to escalate single waves with one dread...

What some trusty corpmates of mine say is, solo is possible, but risky and intense. Which is right up my alley.

I may just buy a character or two just to get er done this year... I seem to miss exploits or advantages in eve before the nerfs come... Hopefully this time ill make it.
Jez Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2015-01-13 17:56:14 UTC
Violent Grey wrote:
I seem to miss exploits or advantages in eve before the nerfs come... Hopefully this time ill make it.


Just about sums up the reason why ccp need to stop the gravy train. Escalation isk for large w-space groups is fine, but too easily exploited.
Ridvanson
#64 - 2015-01-13 18:32:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ridvanson
Jez Amatin wrote:
Violent Grey wrote:
I seem to miss exploits or advantages in eve before the nerfs come... Hopefully this time ill make it.


Just about sums up the reason why ccp need to stop the gravy train. Escalation isk for large w-space groups is fine, but too easily exploited.


Escalating solo is in no way an exploit (duh) or completely out of balance. But let me explain ...

Being able to run >3 full escalations an hour solo (> 2b isk/h) does look great on paper. Yet, since you're doing all things solo, you spend just as much or even more time, solo setting your operation up, solo scanning, solo collapsing, solo bookmarking, solo logistics, solo preparing sites, solo selling stuff etc.

Your isk efficiency is effectively halved.

Factor in the high skill requirements, high investment and high risk (more on that later), and your imaginative isk printing machine suddenly looks like something that is best left alone.

Do you know what it takes to kill a solo dread? One would assume a small t3 fleet will do the trick ... but it is far easier than that. Drop another capital or two into the site and spawn some extra BS. the solo dread will quickly melt. If you do it right, you might also kill whatever the solo-escalator is using to spawn further waves.

If one wanted similar isk efficiency w/o the risk one could just as well put his/her 4-6 accounts into incursions, high-end nullsec anoms or C4 sites. I hear a single marauder in C4 space makes in the ballpark of 250-300m isk/hour ;)
Jez Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2015-01-13 19:06:15 UTC
Yea totally true everyone in c4 space makes 500 mil ph huffin gas at mo.

Also please more sob stories on how hard it is solo... I want to drink more of ur koolaid.
Ridvanson
#66 - 2015-01-13 19:17:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Ridvanson
Jez Amatin wrote:
Yea totally true everyone in c4 space makes 500 mil ph huffin gas at mo.

Also please more sob stories on how hard it is solo... I want to drink more of ur koolaid.


lol nice try. Not my fault you're not good enough. Nor is it CCP's for that matter.

You're the one crying rivers over alleged unfair balance, or am I amiss? If it's so easy why aren't you doing it? Why isn't C5 space full of solo escalation operations? Yeah ... that's right. Now stfu.
Violent Grey
Illicit Expo
#67 - 2015-01-13 19:33:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Violent Grey
I am sorry, I did not intend for my post to say what it boldly says... c5 escalations is not an exploit, you are correct. What I did mean, is I miss out on opportunities myself on making the kind of isk that can be made in escalations. I HOPE CCP does NOT nerf escalations... please god almighty... lol I want to go there. that is where I am heading. solo perhaps one day.... I will stfu now cause I know Im nubbish, and I simply wanted to clarify, I just woke up when I made my prior post and it totally does infer that I made escalations out to be an exploit, which its not. Shocked
Jez Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2015-01-13 23:00:35 UTC
Ridvanson wrote:

lol nice try. Not my fault you're not good enough. Nor is it CCP's for that matter.

You're the one crying rivers over alleged unfair balance, or am I amiss? If it's so easy why aren't you doing it? Why isn't C5 space full of solo escalation operations? Yeah ... that's right. Now stfu.


ok i may have been trollin' sry u got mad.

ps. sry im not good enough either, ill work on that or petition it to CCP.