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Level 3/4 mission running!

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John wesher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-12-26 10:52:16 UTC
I've recently done enough of scanning the high sec of space to finally afford my Raven (if needed) to do Level 3/4 missions.

But i've hit a wall at the moment! It's the ship/fittings.

Just asking for advice on a tanking fit for a Raven as i want to play it safe and not loose it by going all out DPS with missiles.

I Also heard that a Vexor could be used for level 3 missions but i don't know much baout ships and its only 10 mil compared to the 180 mil for a raven and i know the raven is better but whilst looking on line i couldnt see a fot for a raven for level 3 so can i do level 3 missions in a Raven or can i just skip doing level 3's and go onto level 4's in a raven?

SOrry bit of a rant there, just kinda want to get this right as I felt i was getting a bit bored of Eve by going round scanning, I've done missions before and got a little bored, feels like there isn't much else to do in high sec to make isk except going into null/WH space which i don't want to do yet!

Any advice would be great!

Many Thanks
John
Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-12-26 11:09:04 UTC
Here's your generic L4 setup. Don't use it on L3s as most of the enemies are not large enough for cruises to apply the damage well. Get a drake or another battlecruiser for those.

[Raven, L4 Basic]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Thermic Dissipation Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
100MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


The hardeners are mission specific so get a set of 2 of each. Tankwise you should have more than enough to start running the missions carefully. Just keep eve-survival open and don't aggro too much at once.

Some people like the cap booster more than the cap recharger so use your own judgement for that. I've found restocking the booster charges tedious so the recharger works well for me. You can also swap the afterburner for a target painter for better damage aplication but AB lets you speed tank to some degree and it's a great timesaver with missions that have a lot of slowboating around. Another option for the AB is a microjumpdrive, which is basically a free getaway if you mess up as the rats don't disable it even when using a warp disruptor.

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Garrett Osinov
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-12-26 11:13:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Garrett Osinov
John wesher wrote:
I've recently done enough of scanning the high sec of space to finally afford my Raven (if needed) to do Level 3/4 missions.

But i've hit a wall at the moment! It's the ship/fittings.

Just asking for advice on a tanking fit for a Raven as i want to play it safe and not loose it by going all out DPS with missiles.

I Also heard that a Vexor could be used for level 3 missions but i don't know much baout ships and its only 10 mil compared to the 180 mil for a raven and i know the raven is better but whilst looking on line i couldnt see a fot for a raven for level 3 so can i do level 3 missions in a Raven or can i just skip doing level 3's and go onto level 4's in a raven?

SOrry bit of a rant there, just kinda want to get this right as I felt i was getting a bit bored of Eve by going round scanning, I've done missions before and got a little bored, feels like there isn't much else to do in high sec to make isk except going into null/WH space which i don't want to do yet!

Any advice would be great!

Many Thanks
John


How good are you missile skills ? If they aren't perfect, you are going have hard time hitting small stuff. And some missions in lvl4 are 95% full of cruisers and frigs.

Try Gila. I used it for lvl3 and using it for lvl4.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-12-26 17:14:07 UTC
stick a micro jump drive on the raven and go test it on level 4s, if u feel like ur going to die just use it and get out.
John wesher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-12-26 19:14:42 UTC
Do I have to do level 3 missions or can I just go onto level 4 missions right away?

And how much is that fit for the raven, and would I need tech one or tech two fits foforge raven?

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-12-26 19:32:04 UTC
u will need at least 5 standing with the corp you want to run level 4s for.

Having 5+ faction standing will work also.

I would not recommend a raven in level 3s, you can complete it far faster in a cruiser/battlecruiser
Paranoid Loyd
#7 - 2014-12-26 20:39:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I would not recommend a raven in level 3s, you can complete it far faster in a cruiser/battlecruiser

Generally I would not recommend a BS either, but Raven + RHMLs + HVO rigs is pretty quick.

Baltec or Stoic had some numbers somewhere.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

John wesher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-12-26 20:49:45 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I would not recommend a raven in level 3s, you can complete it far faster in a cruiser/battlecruiser

RHMLs + HVO rigs ftw!

Baltec or Stoic had some numbers somewhere.



What did you even say? I'm not used to the abbreviations!!!!
Paranoid Loyd
#9 - 2014-12-26 20:52:03 UTC
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher
Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer (Warp Speed rigs)

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

John wesher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-12-26 22:32:34 UTC
Which one makes the most isk per hour between level 3 or level 4 missions? And if I was using the raven for level 4 missions how much would that fit first posted be and what's the isk like per mission?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-12-26 22:41:39 UTC
level 4 definitely makes the most money if you are completely them efficiently.

Standard raven fit would be around 210m

If you are running level 4s efficiently you can expect around 30-40mil an hour as a newer pilot.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-12-27 05:21:48 UTC
Note that with the nerf on mission loot you are better off "semi-blitzing" and ignoring all loot except random things your MTU drags in while shooting (filter and leave behind everythng worth less than 200K or so) and the occasional wrecks/structure known to drop big stuff. The 10 minutes you otherwise spend collecting 2 mill worth of loot could easily be spent doing another mission.

As a side effect of this loot nerf the ISK you make from LP has become even more important. Choose corps with good ISK/LP ratio.
John wesher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-12-29 00:37:19 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Note that with the nerf on mission loot you are better off "semi-blitzing" and ignoring all loot except random things your MTU drags in while shooting (filter and leave behind everythng worth less than 200K or so) and the occasional wrecks/structure known to drop big stuff. The 10 minutes you otherwise spend collecting 2 mill worth of loot could easily be spent doing another mission.

As a side effect of this loot nerf the ISK you make from LP has become even more important. Choose corps with good ISK/LP ratio.


That's great information right there with isk/lp thing!!!

Just a few questions with this, the tractor units is there any that aren't single use as they're about 4 mil each and I feel it'll almost be a waste to just drop one then not able to pick it up aftwards... Or would it, would the loot from the tractor unit rely make its money back from the wreck it picks up?

And what's the best way to find the best isk/lp? Got roughly 2500 with the caldria state and so seeing if that's a good amount do I g level 2 security missions? Never heard of this before you see!
Rastuasi
Crunchy Crunchy
#14 - 2014-12-29 00:42:58 UTC
John wesher wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Note that with the nerf on mission loot you are better off "semi-blitzing" and ignoring all loot except random things your MTU drags in while shooting (filter and leave behind everythng worth less than 200K or so) and the occasional wrecks/structure known to drop big stuff. The 10 minutes you otherwise spend collecting 2 mill worth of loot could easily be spent doing another mission.

As a side effect of this loot nerf the ISK you make from LP has become even more important. Choose corps with good ISK/LP ratio.


That's great information right there with isk/lp thing!!!

Just a few questions with this, the tractor units is there any that aren't single use as they're about 4 mil each and I feel it'll almost be a waste to just drop one then not able to pick it up aftwards... Or would it, would the loot from the tractor unit rely make its money back from the wreck it picks up?

And what's the best way to find the best isk/lp? Got roughly 2500 with the caldria state and so seeing if that's a good amount do I g level 2 security missions? Never heard of this before you see!


The mobile tractor units can already be scooped back up, just right click and scoop to cargo hold.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#15 - 2014-12-29 01:14:13 UTC
Basically there are 3 ways to do missions:
1. Be too hard to hit (from being far away or being really small/fast)
2. Fit a massive tank and ignore all damage
3. Do so much DPS you don't take much damage.

The raven is very capable at #1 with a Micro Jump drive, AB, and Sensor boosters, you can make it where you practically never get hit. That being said unless you count missile volleys this will lead to wasted DPS as the rat dies with several flights of cruise missiles on the way. It works and is pretty easy though. You just get range with your jump drive and use the AB to maintain range and to burn between gates (which are rarely 100km from you)

The Raven has a very tough time with #2. You have to get pretty expensive modules to be able to make a permatank raven that can do good DPS and apply that damage well. It is easily capable of a great burst tank if you get in trouble with just an XLASB or a XLSB and a large cap booster, but that is time limited. If you manage your triggers, it is very possible to just tank stuff with 3 slot tank when you need to, though a 4 slot tank is much safer.

#3 is something that works really only with the Rapid Heavy missile fits in l3 missions, the raven can simply crush all of the enemies so quickly that it is silly in l3s. It doesn't do so badly in l4s with Rapid Heavies, but it would need a pretty beefy tank as you hit your reload cycles dealing with the Battleship rats. I have seen ravens/navy scorps/navy Ravens with serious bling doing missions, and have yet to see them be faster than a t2 fit paladin, so I would say save your isk rather than trying to make the raven a super DPS machine.

You mentioned the Vexor, if you have gallente skills and drone skills the Dominix is a much better l4/l3 ship than the raven IMO.

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-12-29 01:47:20 UTC
Calculator to compare LP/ISK ratio for different corps: https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/

Missiles plus Drones of course generally leads to thinking about the Rattlesnake but be aware its not an easy ship to fit properly or to fly. For the first 6 months I owned a Rattler it made less ISk/hour than my Domi and was much more at risk of exploding.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#17 - 2014-12-29 01:48:18 UTC
John wesher wrote:
Which one makes the most isk per hour between level 3 or level 4 missions? And if I was using the raven for level 4 missions how much would that fit first posted be and what's the isk like per mission?


that depends on the skills of the pilot, the sec status of the agent's system, which lp store it is, and what ship you use.

with lower skills I would expect lv 3s to earn more. hopefully you can get missions in a 0.5 system for both with a good lp store.

looks like a RHML holds 25 rounds (24 with arbys), so I wouldn't be surprised that most missions can be completed without needing a reload. even with reloads the raven can put out some very nice dps of any damage type with RLMLs. it can be a pretty decent lv3 runner.

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Garrett Osinov
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-12-29 14:53:42 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Calculator to compare LP/ISK ratio for different corps: https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/

Missiles plus Drones of course generally leads to thinking about the Rattlesnake but be aware its not an easy ship to fit properly or to fly. For the first 6 months I owned a Rattler it made less ISk/hour than my Domi and was much more at risk of exploding.


In my case it's totaly not true. Rattlesnake does way more damage then a Domi with low skills, it's way easier to tank in a Rattlesnake. But with low skills Gila is even better then Domi or a Rattlesnake.

Gila with speed tank and T2 med drones is an awsome ship.
John wesher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-12-29 18:41:50 UTC
Wow... thats been so useful all this information!!! It's really helped me!

I aw the fit at the beginning and thats just a fot for that ship, but heres my API key, could anyone possibly make a fit based on my skills i have currently?

Key ID: 3983808
Verification Code: LoJ9HxLaNxBMU4sOZeWv6ZnG97xuPSODcol4mzdZNEK7AlATTaFGgjAzrsUgCcuT
Access Mask: 0

THats my API and stuff for it. You've all been so helpful!!!!!
John wesher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-12-29 20:05:41 UTC
Or is the top fir good enough for Level 4 missions, and thats a tank fit isnt it?
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