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Newbie needs help getting into the game.

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Roel Yento
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2014-12-26 18:56:16 UTC
Basically, find a corp that can teach you things. No one is gonna want to individually invest time into a new player in industry since for you to actually end up helping them will take lots of time. They will get you to mine for them though and pay you below market value so they can make more money though. If you are cool with that then you can work your way up and maybe run your own miner group that you can make money off of. As for other things in game, plenty of people will help and teach you things. Lots of industrialists do other things in game as well. I give trading advice to corp members i fly with and risk assets with, not with strangers.

So again, find a corp, earn trust through helping for common goal, they will teach you about the game there on out.
Hamuki Charante
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-12-26 19:34:46 UTC
Roel Yento wrote:
Basically, find a corp that can teach you things. No one is gonna want to individually invest time into a new player in industry since for you to actually end up helping them will take lots of time. They will get you to mine for them though and pay you below market value so they can make more money though. If you are cool with that then you can work your way up and maybe run your own miner group that you can make money off of. As for other things in game, plenty of people will help and teach you things. Lots of industrialists do other things in game as well. I give trading advice to corp members i fly with and risk assets with, not with strangers.

So again, find a corp, earn trust through helping for common goal, they will teach you about the game there on out.


Is there a place here where I can make a ad about myself that I am looking for a corp?
I dont think this is the right place to do it.
Roel Yento
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-12-26 19:59:01 UTC
Hamuki Charante wrote:
Roel Yento wrote:
Basically, find a corp that can teach you things. No one is gonna want to individually invest time into a new player in industry since for you to actually end up helping them will take lots of time. They will get you to mine for them though and pay you below market value so they can make more money though. If you are cool with that then you can work your way up and maybe run your own miner group that you can make money off of. As for other things in game, plenty of people will help and teach you things. Lots of industrialists do other things in game as well. I give trading advice to corp members i fly with and risk assets with, not with strangers.

So again, find a corp, earn trust through helping for common goal, they will teach you about the game there on out.


Is there a place here where I can make a ad about myself that I am looking for a corp?
I dont think this is the right place to do it.


Yes, right here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265

Also join recruitment channel in eve. Best to find a good group before you have anything. Never pay to get into a group either, eventually you do need to trust someone though, just not with all your assets lol.
Hamuki Charante
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-12-26 20:05:50 UTC
Roel Yento wrote:
Hamuki Charante wrote:
Roel Yento wrote:
Basically, find a corp that can teach you things. No one is gonna want to individually invest time into a new player in industry since for you to actually end up helping them will take lots of time. They will get you to mine for them though and pay you below market value so they can make more money though. If you are cool with that then you can work your way up and maybe run your own miner group that you can make money off of. As for other things in game, plenty of people will help and teach you things. Lots of industrialists do other things in game as well. I give trading advice to corp members i fly with and risk assets with, not with strangers.

So again, find a corp, earn trust through helping for common goal, they will teach you about the game there on out.


Is there a place here where I can make a ad about myself that I am looking for a corp?
I dont think this is the right place to do it.


Yes, right here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265

Also join recruitment channel in eve. Best to find a good group before you have anything. Never pay to get into a group either, eventually you do need to trust someone though, just not with all your assets lol.



Thanks :)
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#45 - 2014-12-26 20:06:47 UTC
minor note,
before you join any CORP read this:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wars

bottom line in npc corp other player can't legally target you anywhere while in player owned corp they can. so be prepared that if you join a corp and you are in war to expect hostiles everywhere actively aiming for you.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#46 - 2014-12-26 22:34:35 UTC
Hamuki Charante wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Hamuki Charante wrote:
I dont throw more money then I can afford to lose.
I had a feeling since you were this easy to talk to..

But yes, I am a little surprised..

I dont give out gold in WoW.
I dont give out GP in RS.

Why should I do it here?

You dont know what I do in the crypto world.. Were I make accual money. Not ingame money.

(I know ISK and Plex can be sold for cash)

So no..

Dont sell the skind before the bear is shot.



In before perma ban.


P.s. if you ever sell ISK or ANYTHING in game for cash, it wont be long till you cant log in anymore on any of your accounts.

CCP has a very easy and clear RMT policy.

YOU DONT. If you do, time to find a new game.


I know it can be sold, I have seen others trying to sell it.
But I know its against the rules to do so.
Just like WoW, Runescape and any other game like this.


So is robbing a bank...


And what you are doing, is first calling the police to announce you found a way to rob a bank....







p.s. Yes, it is possible.

Yes, you will get caught. CCP is quite active on that matter.
Yes, you will never play EVE after that cause of the ban and ban evation rules.



Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-12-26 22:39:53 UTC
Hamuki Charante wrote:
Cara Forelli wrote:
Hamuki Charante wrote:
I know it can be sold, I have seen others trying to sell it.

PLEX can be sold for isk. Characters can also be sold for isk. If you see someone trying to sell them for RL cash steer clear of them or report for real money trading. It's a bannable offense. JP was giving you a friendly warning, in her usual blunt manner.

Hamuki Charante wrote:
So I guess that EvE is the most hostile game for newbies around.

Its almost impossible if you want to get into the game if you dont have anyone to look up to, then you have to read atleast 100 pages on the wiki to get into the game.

This is somewhat true, and why I urged you to look for an active corp. That is the best way to find other players to mentor you (usually more than one). EVE is a big complex game. While many players don't mind helping out newbros on occasion, "mentoring" requires a large time investment that most vets aren't willing to make since it cuts out of their own play time. For example, my public channel is always open for new players to ask question and bounce ideas of myself or other vets. However, I can't drop everything and fleet up with every new player I meet, or I would never get to do what I do.

In a good corp you'll have a nice mix of other newer players to experiment with and older vets to give advice and guide you along. In that setting, no one has to take on the burden of teaching you the entire game - you just glean it from conversations with many people. Of course you'll find some people more or less helpful.

As far as paranoia and risk, IMO this thread got derailed quickly with unhelpful and unrelated topics. You should have a bit of healthy paranoia, but as a new player you will have to take some risks (meeting people). The good news is you don't have anything to lose yet! So go get involved before you build your fortune. The worst that happens is someone blows up your (free from the tutorial mission) frigate.


Just to stear clear.. I am not into this for money.. I am just looking for a new game. So lets put that on the shelvs of things I have learned and move on, shall we? ;)

I like your explanation and tonight im going to look up things on YT and start looking for a corp to be with.
If you think that I might have something to ffer to your corp then please do send me a PM or I can send you one if you want a little more info from me.

I am still in the TuT so I gotta have an hour or two of flying around like a ****** to learn the controls fully.

THanks for the great reply, it really helped clearing some things and the intrest is growing to get into this new world.



My a shameless advertise the Help Chat - Reloaded chat.

As Cara said, there are near to none people who would love to spent their entire gametime helping a new player around.
But there are a large group of players that love to help you when they can, be it in space or just by answering a question, give you a fit / help you with your fit, give you ideas on how to approach something.


HC-R has just that...quite a large bunch of new players and vets that are in there to chit-chat about just about anything...but also there to help anybody who needs advice / a question answered.

As for a corp, what would be a great option would be EVE University (among other options of course) if you just want a "classroom" enviroment.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-12-26 22:42:00 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Hamuki Charante wrote:
Aladar Dangerface wrote:
My advice, try everything or at least everything that interests you, find a GOOD corp (harder than it sounds). A good corp can teach you lots.

Whatever you decide on doing i.e. manufacturing, trading, exploration read up on it and start small to minimise risk/loss while you gain experience and once you are comfortable with it, go bigger and invest more.

Also try pvp, it is what makes this game great.

The reason i still play this game is because when you put a ship you have worked and saved for into combat; the sense of potential loss can give an actual adrenaline rush and i have genuinely came away from some fights with the shakes. No other game I have ever played has done that.


You should have played DayZ in the old days..
Where losing things meants something.. That is what I am seeking, and EvE can give me that.

I want to do mining. I want to harvest things and then start climbing the ladder and at some point reach the top.
(^This will take years^)

Thanks for the relpy :)



Hmz, regarding mining...I"m going to bust your bubble.

At tops 6 months, then you are near perfect on the mining scale...and then it just stops, at not that best of an income too.


Now, if with your ladder you also mean that you include industry. Yes, it can take longer (starting with cheap Blueprint copies, through having your own BPO database up to building the supers/titans on demand).



As for mining and then sell or produce...do what is more cost effective.

AND, mined minerals are NOT free. they still have their market value (if you mined minerals worth 100mil on the market and then build something that sells for 50mil, you are losing 50 mil worth of ISK).

So, at times, it might be smarter to sell the minerals. At times it might be better to buy the minerals for your production etc.
All depending on market, supply & demand of start and end product and where you do it.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-12-26 22:47:54 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Roel Yento wrote:
Hamuki Charante wrote:
Roel Yento wrote:
Basically, find a corp that can teach you things. No one is gonna want to individually invest time into a new player in industry since for you to actually end up helping them will take lots of time. They will get you to mine for them though and pay you below market value so they can make more money though. If you are cool with that then you can work your way up and maybe run your own miner group that you can make money off of. As for other things in game, plenty of people will help and teach you things. Lots of industrialists do other things in game as well. I give trading advice to corp members i fly with and risk assets with, not with strangers.

So again, find a corp, earn trust through helping for common goal, they will teach you about the game there on out.


Is there a place here where I can make a ad about myself that I am looking for a corp?
I dont think this is the right place to do it.


Yes, right here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265

Also join recruitment channel in eve. Best to find a good group before you have anything. Never pay to get into a group either, eventually you do need to trust someone though, just not with all your assets lol.


Recruitment is the official channel and is usually filled with corp-recruiters advertizing their corp.

A player made channel is called Unemployment. It is the exact opposite, there recruiters sit and the people looking for corps advertize themself....

I would try to use both. But in my honost opinion, they both suck. Mainly cause of the type of corps that use them most often.

A good corp doesn't have to actively hunt for players. Players will find that corp.

What I prefer is looking through the forums linked above and look at 'active' recruitment threads (aka. The once that are kept up to date and not just the daily allowed bump. But actually with some more up to date info).

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Hamuki Charante
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-12-26 23:14:17 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Roel Yento wrote:
Hamuki Charante wrote:
Roel Yento wrote:
Basically, find a corp that can teach you things. No one is gonna want to individually invest time into a new player in industry since for you to actually end up helping them will take lots of time. They will get you to mine for them though and pay you below market value so they can make more money though. If you are cool with that then you can work your way up and maybe run your own miner group that you can make money off of. As for other things in game, plenty of people will help and teach you things. Lots of industrialists do other things in game as well. I give trading advice to corp members i fly with and risk assets with, not with strangers.

So again, find a corp, earn trust through helping for common goal, they will teach you about the game there on out.


Is there a place here where I can make a ad about myself that I am looking for a corp?
I dont think this is the right place to do it.


Yes, right here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265

Also join recruitment channel in eve. Best to find a good group before you have anything. Never pay to get into a group either, eventually you do need to trust someone though, just not with all your assets lol.


Recruitment is the official channel and is usually filled with corp-recruiters advertizing their corp.

A player made channel is called Unemployment. It is the exact opposite, there recruiters sit and the people looking for corps advertize themself....

I would try to use both. But in my honost opinion, they both suck. Mainly cause of the type of corps that use them most often.

A good corp doesn't have to actively hunt for players. Players will find that corp.

What I prefer is looking through the forums linked above and look at 'active' recruitment threads (aka. The once that are kept up to date and not just the daily allowed bump. But actually with some more up to date info).



I found some nice people ingame who are helping me out.

No need to spam my thread.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2014-12-29 00:17:01 UTC
I agree with those that say forget what you've learned from other games. I've played WoW in the past and Eve is totally different. Everything in Eve is about efficiency. One example would be that the most common way to judge someone's PvP success is with the destroyed versus lost ratio in an isk value. What that means is that it's not how many times you've been blown up versus how many times you have blown someone else up it is what is the isk value of the ships that you have destroyed versus the isk value of ships that you've lost. All that best in slot crap from WoW get's thrown out the window here. In many cases Eve is about doing more with less.

It is kind of difficult for someone to take you under their wing and show you industry in this game it is just too involved. You would be much better off just trying it out and working your way into it. Make friends and when you have specific questions they can answer them. Start out with something cheap like ammo.

Eve in general is a game where you kind of need to be self motivated. If you are the kind of person that doesn't mind reading up on stuff a bit and then doing some trial and error and have some knowledgeable friends to ask questions of then Eve will be good for you. Another thing is eve is just too big and too open ended. In WoW if someone has been playing the game for a year or more they can pretty much show you how to do what ever. I could walk you through WoW professions in like 10 minutes. I've been playing this game on and off since 2009 have well over a 100 million skill points and there are entire aspects of this game that I know nothing about. So for anything that you want to do there is someone that can answer questions for you but there is no one that can answer any question for you.

Also there is no best anything in this game. You will need to develop your own playstyle and find what works for you. Others can tell you what works for them but you will need to develop your own style.

The market in this game is local, things are sold at a specific station. It's not like WoW where you just put something on the market. Because of that trade and manufacturing are very involved. It's one thing to build something and another to build at a profit. As far as trading goes even at the busiest market hub in game if you pick any item and start producing it or trading in it you will notice the affect that you have on pricing. Because of that no one can say to you "here is how I made my isk just do what I did and you will be fine" because the minute you start doing what they are doing the margins will drop for both of you.

This game and especially the market in this game are very deep and very complex, it is what makes this game fun an challenging even years down the road. Because of that depth you will need to just get into stuff and grow.

WoW is extremely linear. Your path through the game is very scripted and directed. The entire game basically is designed like a map to get you to a specific end point they just keep moving the end point further down the road. Eve is open ended. There is no end point. You play the game for the fun of playing. No one can walk you through this game from start to end as there is no end point. There is no end game. There is no best in slot. None of what you learned in WoW will help you hear and honestly you will be better served in this game and probably in life in general if you forget everything you learned in WoW.

Finally the best ship in Eve is friendship so make some friends and go have fun. This game is a true MMO, in that it is about player interactions. I mean what is the point of a massively multiplayer game if you can only actually interact with a maximum of say 40 people at once?

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

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