EVE General Discussion

The fact that bulldozers make extremely poor drag racers is an inherent property of the objects and has nothing to do with stifling creativity or limiting options.

Tools should be specialized; that's why we have more than one tool.

When I need to take off my car's lug bolts, I'm glad someone invented the tire iron and I'm not trying to do it with a leatherman.

Apart from customization, ships in this game have some very basic properties, e.g. mass, that make them better at a certain role, and that's not a bad thing.

This is a mind morsel of huge delights.

I too have read that famous statement, which simply for me is a bit ... too simplistic:



And here I want to stop a bit, not to defend nor to support , but simply to expand the scope.

I totally understand the logical view of not trying to take horizon or awesome sunset vistas in CoD/BF during a live match and then whine to players for not letting the "tourist" take awesome screenshots, because he paid for the game and cries foul at the universe because people just frag/teabag him over and over squealing it glee at the "scrub" with his non-existant rules.

Same with a Chess Match, where players simply need to advance in the future long enough to understand who is going to win due to the true and tried grids (something several chessmasters have decried as boring and why some of them enjoyed playing with newbies, simply because their mistakes actually made them do completely "random" moves, but I digress) and there´s no room within a very defined set of rules to say that if the sun sets early pawns will move now diagonally because someones feels depressed.

That point of the "scrub" I understand through and through ... but alas, in gaming, we can with some base extrapolate that these "self imposed-non existent rules" actually EXIST, and no, it´s not a matter of a "scrub delusion" , it´s just human nature, and people actively USE them in gaming (and this is my theory alone) for the sheer custom of trying to "game" with them.

See, the scrub does not use non existent rules, see, the scrub , is just a human that is out of his league, or in this case, in the "wrong" (for him) part of EVE - here some people might actually want to say THE WHOLE OF EVE, but that´s another topic.

What I am saying? Well, let me quote this small work to begin formulating what I believe is the core issue here.

Once the premise of that work is understood, (just to have a base to work on), that is, people use "emotions" aka as the self-imposed non existent rules that I believe need a better name in the oft quoted "scrub" theory, to alter decision making , (Eduardo B. Andrade and Teck‐Hua Ho December 2009) we can now proceed to works that show the scope of eve (being an mmo) is no matter how much you want to a definitely SOCIAL game, basing myself on the works of Helena Cole and Mark D. Griffiths "CyberPsychology & Behavior" ( August 2007) due to it having actual people in them interacting, even if in a sense HARDCODED in it, is the endless pew pew of stuff blowing up in glorious bits with a much greater social stage than a quick match in a random room of an fps and it has no raids that drop BoP/BoA Multicolored Hue "gear".

With this notion in hand I believe all the badly misconstrued terms of "non existent self-imposed rules" / "e-bushido" / "honor-tanking" / "fairness(*1) , can be safely understood as a dimension of the game that will never fully reconcile within the sandbox by its very nature (this in GREAT PART one of my current conundrums, because I do know the reconcilement exists, but I theorize as I write and this is a late edit), but , and here is where I digress with the "scrub" statement, such rules actually exist, they do serve a function and in no way the "scrub" is less or more of an entity within the game by this adherence (whereas others have quite loudly proclaimed their lower social strata, mental degradation and other pejorative misnomers that simply fail to address the issue)

Why?

Because due to the way the Sandbox has been constructed upon people will inevitably behave like ... well ... People. There are as many conflicting forms of thinking all the time running in the game that simply separating people into Scrubs (and to my mind the horror of actually postulating "degrees" based on , to put it mildly , "assumptions" ) VERSUS Whatever else is not a "Scrub" is simply a disservice to the EVE Community.

The Play to Win theory, so loudly proclaimed by many, is flawed, for EVE at least, it does not apply, despite the deceptive postulate because it is simply too linear, too narrow and leaves many gaps.

We might at most try to sensationalize Play to Win in EvE MUCH BETTER by quoting Nash himself off his famous work by skipping the Play to Win and redefining EVE as a Non-Cooperative game.


(*1) It doesnt take that much of a stretch to logically sum up all these concepts as one and the same within the scope of EVE Online and the claim that "scrubs" adhere to these self-imposed rules.

I think the list of things players can viably do is longer now than it was years ago.

I'm also pretty sure the amount of babble in this thread made my IQ drop, but for some reason I couldn't stop reading.

No. It creates an opportunity to make the best of what resources you have. It gives you a point to look back on and go "Wow! I have come so far!"

You remind me of another multi-boxer I have known recently. He dropped his multiple alts and is using his vast wealth to wreck a part of the market, now.

Yes, even self sacrifices to save another trends statistically toward more genetic similarity. There was a time that people would strive to be better. These days ...

Most of us don't know our neighbours, have no sense of the "tribe" that is buried in our prehistoric minds. We are all alienated and taking delight in pushing each other down to feel we are a little higher.

EVE is a bucket of crabs.
Much like a counsel estate, ghetto or trailer park. People pulling each other down, back into the bucket; instead of helping each other get to the edge and pull each other over and out.

If you confuse the definitions of words, I guess, but it would be more accurate to say you've subbed for so long.

So again, it's no different to you from a special piece of armor. The achievement should be in what you do with it.

Hey..I liked my purple UI...but is it a game changing change that effects anything important? No....it's not. Though i respect the fact you liked the ability to customize (and so did I), it isn't something that, imo, is worthy of a thread about it. Eve is ever-evolving..some changes people like, some they don't. As long as CCP doesn't change the core principles of the game, I'm all for its evolution. After all, the game would be rather boring if it hadnever changed or evolved over it's 11+ year history.

That, or you could have friends. Well not you obviously, because it's you, but theoretical people that are not you.

I'd love to know about that, because to my knowledge there is no such thing.

In the meantime though, we could easily bring up how the very first MMO was destroyed by carebears.

Eve is not meant to be a solo game...that's why it's a MMORPG.

Solo play on a single account is totally viable.

It just takes some creative thinking, but is a hell of a lot of fun.

If you struggle to find ways to have fun solo, that isn't necessarily a limitation of the game. More likely to be a personal limitation.

That said, there's nothing at all wrong with playing the game with others. Both forms of the game are viable and both are rewarding.