These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

EVE Forum Usage metrics....(UPDATED)

First post First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#121 - 2015-01-06 15:01:11 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:

Not everyone makes money off videos they put on the internet. And it is possible to simultaneously care about the quality of the content and making money. You suddenly sound more bitter about internet videos than I do.


Well, RL is a lot like EvE. If they can get the maximum reward by delivering the most time-saving video, they do that. Quality is for the upper echelon of viewers who may appreciate good stuff.

As for being bitter about videos... well... it's more than that.
There's been a lot of "monetization" of everything that may reward some coins.
Despite Google's efforts, a well made SEO + marketing campaign SHALL defeat quality content, relegated to the 3rd page.

Most content producers are not big corps. They create interesting articles, spread good knowledge... all of this gets beaten to pulp by some dude knowing how to implement micro-data, sprite-ize, knows about keywords ranking and how to boost it...

Basically a lot (I don't say all, but a lot) of good content gets created by guys dedicated and specialized in a certain sector.
On the other side, we get guys specialized in web marketing and not in quality topics, ready to push mediocre and hastily-made "filler" in an efficient way, pushing the good stuff down.

EvE Online portal | EvE markets tutorials
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#122 - 2015-01-07 05:31:19 UTC
I saw lots of posts where people are giving reasons such as a lack of CCP interest, harsh moderation policies, alternate forums, and satisfied players. However, I didn't see anyone mention what has been quite obvious to me for sometime, the unwelcoming and hostile attitude of several "usual suspects" on this forum toward those with differing viewpoints. You know who they are. The ones whose faces you see all over nearly every post in General Discussion with active hostility towards new players or anyone suggesting any changes to curb the antisocial and deserved reputation that EvE has amongst MMO players. Look how many people defended the deplorable actions of Erotica1 for hundreds of pages when that all went down.

People often get harassed for "forum alts". Is it any wonder? Speaking one's mind here or sharing information on your activities will likely lead to targeted scamming, awoxxing, wardecs, or in game harassment.

Why would you share info on how much money you have, where it comes from, or where you operate? It will just make you a target. Why discuss the meta game if all it will do is draw the same sarcastic responses and "go back to wow noob, maybe this game isn't for you" comments?

I can't tell you how many times I have seen a player suggest an idea that is new to them only to be assaulted with "OMG you are such an idiot!" replies.

On other forums newer players, and those not up to antisocial play styles, are not treated with anywhere near the level of scorn or hostility which befalls them here. The added level of anonymity also affords some shield against in-game aggression. That is why people don't come here.
Justice Zeta
Doomheim
#123 - 2015-01-07 10:03:14 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
The more moderation the better. ISD's are doing a great job. Would love to see even more of a crackdown against personal attacks and lack of civility. It's better to have a lower post count with more class than a higher post count with less class.

Disagree with the bolded-underlined, agree with the rest. There's a collection of 20-25 posters on here who consistently disobey forum rules 2 and 4 and see no repercussion for it. We are talking several dozen if not over a hundred instances from each poster. One particular ISD in fact seems to enjoy it. I'll see him enter threads and snip posts for a variety of reasons but he makes little effort to edit out the ones that are unwarranted personal attacks. He's even joined in on it before in a very stealthy manner.

CCP really needs to take a hard look at the lack of civility that occurs on here. If the ISD and CCP staff responsible are reporting this higher up, CCP need to start acting on it and ban these posters for good. If the ISD and CCP staff responsible are not reporting this higher up, CCP need to address that.

There is no reason why you should be able to consistently disrespect posters and engage in ad-hominem insults against them, dozens or hundreds of times over, and still have posting rights on a forum that specifically has rules against that behaviour. It's like there's no point obeying any of the rules if you don't care having your post snipped here or there.

The lack of forum activity is partially due to the fact that new posters come here to discuss the game and are lamented with disrespect and insults from the same couple dozen chest-beating neckbeards. EVE-O forums aren't called the "cesspit" of the EVE community because too many threads are locked or because fun innocent trolling isn't allowed. It's called the cesspit because of the kind of personalities that are allowed to run rampant around here.


Fully agree with this.