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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#101 - 2015-01-05 17:51:24 UTC
Luca Lure wrote:
There is soo much to find on google and youtube. Amazing good tutorials from Sir Livingston or whatever his name is. No reason to post a question except when you cannot find anything on the subject.

Also to UI changes made a lot of things easier to find.





Yeah the more I think about this the more I think the times are simply changing. And videos.... I'm the "geezer" who does a search and is filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody f**king read any more? Does everything have to be a f**king video now?"

It takes forever to buffer over this 14.4 modem.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#102 - 2015-01-05 19:11:56 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Luca Lure wrote:
There is soo much to find on google and youtube. Amazing good tutorials from Sir Livingston or whatever his name is. No reason to post a question except when you cannot find anything on the subject.

Also to UI changes made a lot of things easier to find.





Yeah the more I think about this the more I think the times are simply changing. And videos.... I'm the "geezer" who does a search and is filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody f**king read any more? Does everything have to be a f**king video now?"

It takes forever to buffer over this 14.4 modem.


Pictures and, even more, videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message.
New generations are more and more "visual". Look at where the social media and bookmark social media are going: pictures and videos.
Due to the factors above, videos are some of the best way to get people to buy stuff, this is the ultimate reason why there's a slow drift towards using them. This is where technology is going, this is where Google are going... and Google are usually not far from money to be made.

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Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#103 - 2015-01-05 19:43:43 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Luca Lure wrote:
There is soo much to find on google and youtube. Amazing good tutorials from Sir Livingston or whatever his name is. No reason to post a question except when you cannot find anything on the subject.

Also to UI changes made a lot of things easier to find.





Yeah the more I think about this the more I think the times are simply changing. And videos.... I'm the "geezer" who does a search and is filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody f**king read any more? Does everything have to be a f**king video now?"

It takes forever to buffer over this 14.4 modem.


Pictures and, even more, videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message.
New generations are more and more "visual". Look at where the social media and bookmark social media are going: pictures and videos.
Due to the factors above, videos are some of the best way to get people to buy stuff, this is the ultimate reason why there's a slow drift towards using them. This is where technology is going, this is where Google are going... and Google are usually not far from money to be made.


If this is true bringing back sigs and images would help.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#104 - 2015-01-05 21:51:38 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody f**king read any more? Does everything have to be a f**king video now?"
+1. I won't say anything more because I tried earlier and it became a ranty essay.

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message
Bollocks. Videos are a way of turning seconds of skimming text into minutes of listening to some guy talk to himself.

If I'm looking for a guide on some topic, I skip any which are videos. Waste of time. I could figure it out myself faster.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#105 - 2015-01-05 22:21:23 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody f**king read any more? Does everything have to be a f**king video now?"
+1. I won't say anything more because I tried earlier and it became a ranty essay.

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message
Bollocks. Videos are a way of turning seconds of skimming text into minutes of listening to some guy talk to himself.

If I'm looking for a guide on some topic, I skip any which are videos. Waste of time. I could figure it out myself faster.





Oh man. Nail, meet hammer.

When I have to endure videos for something I'm looking for, and the person in the video either can't complete a sentence or takes forever to finish it, it makes me wish a meteor would strike the earth and knock us all back to the stone age so I know the giggling waste of air on my screen gets eaten or used as a wine skin the following week.

Sure "new technology" and all that and I would like to think so, but I think it's more related to people being too lazy to read (if able to at all).


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#106 - 2015-01-06 00:38:11 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody f**king read any more? Does everything have to be a f**king video now?"
+1. I won't say anything more because I tried earlier and it became a ranty essay.

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message
Bollocks. Videos are a way of turning seconds of skimming text into minutes of listening to some guy talk to himself.

If I'm looking for a guide on some topic, I skip any which are videos. Waste of time. I could figure it out myself faster.





Oh man. Nail, meet hammer.

When I have to endure videos for something I'm looking for, and the person in the video either can't complete a sentence or takes forever to finish it, it makes me wish a meteor would strike the earth and knock us all back to the stone age so I know the giggling waste of air on my screen gets eaten or used as a wine skin the following week.

Sure "new technology" and all that and I would like to think so, but I think it's more related to people being too lazy to read (if able to at all).


I have no problem with reading, I just prefer videos if I'm doing something else at the same time because I can hear what I want to while doing the other things.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#107 - 2015-01-06 02:03:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Tear Jar wrote:
ere technology is going, this is where Google are going... and Google are usually not far from money to be made.

If this is true bringing back sigs and images would help.


CCP loves vintage, slow, buggy, featureless forums. They convey the feeling of hard core game! Twisted

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#108 - 2015-01-06 02:04:43 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
filtering out YouTube while saying, out loud sometimes, "Does not anybody f**king read any more? Does everything have to be a f**king video now?"
+1. I won't say anything more because I tried earlier and it became a ranty essay.

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
videos, heavily trump written text at quickly conveying a message
Bollocks. Videos are a way of turning seconds of skimming text into minutes of listening to some guy talk to himself.

If I'm looking for a guide on some topic, I skip any which are videos. Waste of time. I could figure it out myself faster.


Hey guess what, you found a mediocre video over the internet.

Incredible! It automatically puts EVERY video in the same category!

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#109 - 2015-01-06 02:43:29 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Hey guess what, you found a mediocre video over the internet.

Incredible! It automatically puts EVERY video in the same category!
You both assume that I have only ever seen one video on the internet, and miss the fact that the problem with videos has nothing to do with the quality of the video.

Incredible!

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Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#110 - 2015-01-06 04:58:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Steppa Musana
Veers Belvar wrote:
The more moderation the better. ISD's are doing a great job. Would love to see even more of a crackdown against personal attacks and lack of civility. It's better to have a lower post count with more class than a higher post count with less class.

Disagree with the bolded-underlined, agree with the rest. There's a collection of 20-25 posters on here who consistently disobey forum rules 2 and 4 and see no repercussion for it. We are talking several dozen if not over a hundred instances from each poster. One particular ISD in fact seems to enjoy it. I'll see him enter threads and snip posts for a variety of reasons but he makes little effort to edit out the ones that are unwarranted personal attacks. He's even joined in on it before in a very stealthy manner.

CCP really needs to take a hard look at the lack of civility that occurs on here. If the ISD and CCP staff responsible are reporting this higher up, CCP need to start acting on it and ban these posters for good. If the ISD and CCP staff responsible are not reporting this higher up, CCP need to address that.

There is no reason why you should be able to consistently disrespect posters and engage in ad-hominem insults against them, dozens or hundreds of times over, and still have posting rights on a forum that specifically has rules against that behaviour. It's like there's no point obeying any of the rules if you don't care having your post snipped here or there.

The lack of forum activity is partially due to the fact that new posters come here to discuss the game and are lamented with disrespect and insults from the same couple dozen chest-beating neckbeards. EVE-O forums aren't called the "cesspit" of the EVE community because too many threads are locked or because fun innocent trolling isn't allowed. It's called the cesspit because of the kind of personalities that are allowed to run rampant around here.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#111 - 2015-01-06 07:21:25 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
The more moderation the better. ISD's are doing a great job. Would love to see even more of a crackdown against personal attacks and lack of civility. It's better to have a lower post count with more class than a higher post count with less class.

Disagree with the bolded-underlined, agree with the rest. There's a collection of 20-25 posters on here who consistently disobey forum rules 2 and 4 and see no repercussion for it. We are talking several dozen if not over a hundred instances from each poster. One particular ISD in fact seems to enjoy it. I'll see him enter threads and snip posts for a variety of reasons but he makes little effort to edit out the ones that are unwarranted personal attacks. He's even joined in on it before in a very stealthy manner.

CCP really needs to take a hard look at the lack of civility that occurs on here. If the ISD and CCP staff responsible are reporting this higher up, CCP need to start acting on it and ban these posters for good. If the ISD and CCP staff responsible are not reporting this higher up, CCP need to address that.

There is no reason why you should be able to consistently disrespect posters and engage in ad-hominem insults against them, dozens or hundreds of times over, and still have posting rights on a forum that specifically has rules against that behaviour. It's like there's no point obeying any of the rules if you don't care having your post snipped here or there.

The lack of forum activity is partially due to the fact that new posters come here to discuss the game and are lamented with disrespect and insults from the same couple dozen chest-beating neckbeards. EVE-O forums aren't called the "cesspit" of the EVE community because too many threads are locked or because fun innocent trolling isn't allowed. It's called the cesspit because of the kind of personalities that are allowed to run rampant around here.





Must..... resist......... aarrrrgh!


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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#112 - 2015-01-06 07:57:03 UTC
This is completely unsurprising.

Not sure what else I should write, everything that comes to my mind will be deleted anyway do to the source of this problem we should actually discuss but we are not supposed to...

Evil RatKid
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#113 - 2015-01-06 08:10:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Crumplecorn wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Hey guess what, you found a mediocre video over the internet.

Incredible! It automatically puts EVERY video in the same category!
You both assume that I have only ever seen one video on the internet, and miss the fact that the problem with videos has nothing to do with the quality of the video.

Incredible!


True, you can have TWO or more (oh the horror!) mediocre movies, including outside of the internet.
This changes all, really.

Also, the fact they bore / whatever you, it's a tell tale sign everybody shall also feel the same.

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#114 - 2015-01-06 08:18:17 UTC
Buck Futz wrote:


Wow.
Thats pretty stunning actually, when the numbers are put like that in black and white. Perhaps Chribba can chime in and verify this. Forums have literally been strangled to death in 3 years - no idea how far usage had plummeted. Extreme mismanagement in evidence here, and CCP Falcon/mods should be held to account. How else can you explain forum usage plummeting at a rate so far out of line with subscriptions?

If fostering a healthy vibrant forum community is the goal - its pretty clear he is not up to the task and perhaps his talents should be applied elsewhere.




Or you are not just counting for other social platform having a wider reach than these forums which require a subscription to use. You know, like, Reddit, which was pointed just before your post.
Paranoid Loyd
#115 - 2015-01-06 08:22:27 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Hey guess what, you found a mediocre video over the internet.

Incredible! It automatically puts EVERY video in the same category!
You both assume that I have only ever seen one video on the internet, and miss the fact that the problem with videos has nothing to do with the quality of the video.

Incredible!


True, you can have TWO or more (oh the horror!) mediocre movies, including outside of the internet.
This changes all, really.

Also, the fact they bore / whatever you, it's a tell tale sign everybody shall also feel the same.

Shocked You are both way too intelligent to be having such an asinine conversation.

But do go on...

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Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#116 - 2015-01-06 08:32:14 UTC
Lol

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#117 - 2015-01-06 08:43:51 UTC
The moderation policies on this forum are extremely effective




















At encouraging people to post elsewhere.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#118 - 2015-01-06 09:15:58 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
True, you can have TWO or more (oh the horror!) mediocre movies, including outside of the internet.
This changes all, really.

Also, the fact they bore / whatever you, it's a tell tale sign everybody shall also feel the same.
As I said, the quality of a video is irrelevant to the point. Also, I never said the videos bore me or incude any other emotions, except insofar as videos are videos and as such are less useful than text. The content is largely irrelevant.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#119 - 2015-01-06 14:08:04 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
True, you can have TWO or more (oh the horror!) mediocre movies, including outside of the internet.
This changes all, really.

Also, the fact they bore / whatever you, it's a tell tale sign everybody shall also feel the same.
As I said, the quality of a video is irrelevant to the point. Also, I never said the videos bore me or incude any other emotions, except insofar as videos are videos and as such are less useful than text. The content is largely irrelevant.


They do not care to be relevant, but to sell stuff or to farm "impressions" or "clicks" or whatever triggers income.

After all, most (including very popular) web sites manage to get "conversions" just by slapping some dumb and annoying "CTA" (call to action) popups asking for your email and whatever.

Not for a single second any of them cared you got good content. They cared you statistically, somehow made them money.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#120 - 2015-01-06 14:32:13 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
They do not care to be relevant, but to sell stuff or to farm "impressions" or "clicks" or whatever triggers income.

After all, most (including very popular) web sites manage to get "conversions" just by slapping some dumb and annoying "CTA" (call to action) popups asking for your email and whatever.

Not for a single second any of them cared you got good content. They cared you statistically, somehow made them money.
Not everyone makes money off videos they put on the internet. And it is possible to simultaneously care about the quality of the content and making money. You suddenly sound more bitter about internet videos than I do.

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