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Cynabal: The after effects of the warp speed boost....
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Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#1 - 2014-12-23 18:42:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Torothin
Hello,

After much testing I have come to the conclusion that the "recent" Cynnabal changes has made it a much better ship. Being able to respond to a PvP event in Eve is very important and getting to that event/incursion as quickly as possible is also vital. The Cynnabal excels at this and I feel that because of this, it is one of the premiere ships for small scale PvP and Guerilla warfare. I realize that in several aspects, the Cyn can be outperformed by the Orthrus, Gila, and VNI. However, that warp speed boost is just so underrated and also given the price comparison (minus the VNI), the Cyn wins.

Discuss.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#2 - 2014-12-24 02:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Chessur
Torothin wrote:
Hello,

After much testing I have come to the conclusion that the "recent" Cynnabal changes has made it a much better ship. Being able to respond to a PvP event in Eve is very important and getting to that event/incursion as quickly as possible is also vital. The Cynnabal excels at this and I feel that because of this, it is one of the premiere ships for small scale PvP and Guerilla warfare. I realize that in several aspects, the Cyn can be outperformed by the Orthrus, Gila, and VNI. However, that warp speed boost is just so underrated and also given the price comparison (minus the VNI), the Cyn wins.

Discuss.


Cynabal is the worst pirate cruiser ATM. It has horrible DPS and projection. Trading all of that for 1.5 Au/s warp speed over other cruisers is really pointless.

Guerrilla warfare? LOL I think its so cute when people with little to no PvP knowledge / experience use buzzwords like this to try and sound PvP literate. Looking at your kilboards, and you don't even fly a cynabal. Is this a troll?

Cynabal is horrible for small gang. It has a very small engagement profile, and other ship types does its job (anti-support) much better. Cynabal brings nothing noteworthy to a gang. Orthrus, VNI, Gila, Ashimmu, Scythe Fleet, Flycatcher, Heretic, Osprey Navy, Caracal, Phantasm, Vaga, Zealot, Ishtar, Vigilant, are better in every way.

The warp speed boost doesn't make up for the fact that Medium AC's are complete ****, and the vagabond out performs the cynabal in every possible way beyond that fact. If warp speed is that much of an issue for you, slap on a T1 hyper spacial rig to any curiser.
Voi Lutois
Vonkell
#3 - 2014-12-24 04:31:27 UTC
Chessur wrote:


It has horrible DPS and projection. Cynabal is horrible for small gang. The warp speed boost doesn't make up for the fact that Medium AC's are complete ****.


Jesus, it isn't that bad. Shocked
ACs might not be great but it does pretty damn well with artys.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#4 - 2014-12-24 05:09:54 UTC
Voi Lutois wrote:
Chessur wrote:


It has horrible DPS and projection. Cynabal is horrible for small gang. The warp speed boost doesn't make up for the fact that Medium AC's are complete ****.


Jesus, it isn't that bad. Shocked
ACs might not be great but it does pretty damn well with artys.


* No tracking bonus
* Destroys your fitting
* Still horrible DPS

No thank you.
Voi Lutois
Vonkell
#5 - 2014-12-24 05:55:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Voi Lutois
Chessur wrote:


* No tracking bonus
* Destroys your fitting
* Still horrible DPS

No thank you.


[Cynabal]

3x Gyrostabilizer II (or 2x and DCU II)
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Warp Disruptor II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

4x 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Tracks fine if you don't perma run mwd and orbit, keep range is a thing and standard drop makes it even better. DPS and alpha is decent. Works for my space friends and I in our small gangs but what do I know... v0v
Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#6 - 2014-12-24 06:04:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Torothin
Chessur wrote:
Torothin wrote:
Hello,

After much testing I have come to the conclusion that the "recent" Cynnabal changes has made it a much better ship. Being able to respond to a PvP event in Eve is very important and getting to that event/incursion as quickly as possible is also vital. The Cynnabal excels at this and I feel that because of this, it is one of the premiere ships for small scale PvP and Guerilla warfare. I realize that in several aspects, the Cyn can be outperformed by the Orthrus, Gila, and VNI. However, that warp speed boost is just so underrated and also given the price comparison (minus the VNI), the Cyn wins.

Discuss.


Cynabal is the worst pirate cruiser ATM. It has horrible DPS and projection. Trading all of that for 1.5 Au/s warp speed over other cruisers is really pointless.

Guerrilla warfare? LOL I think its so cute when people with little to no PvP knowledge / experience use buzzwords like this to try and sound PvP literate. Looking at your kilboards, and you don't even fly a cynabal. Is this a troll?

Cynabal is horrible for small gang. It has a very small engagement profile, and other ship types does its job (anti-support) much better. Cynabal brings nothing noteworthy to a gang. Orthrus, VNI, Gila, Ashimmu, Scythe Fleet, Flycatcher, Heretic, Osprey Navy, Caracal, Phantasm, Vaga, Zealot, Ishtar, Vigilant, are better in every way.

The warp speed boost doesn't make up for the fact that Medium AC's are complete ****, and the vagabond out performs the cynabal in every possible way beyond that fact. If warp speed is that much of an issue for you, slap on a T1 hyper spacial rig to any curiser.



Busting out the KB stats eh? There are these things called "alts" perhaps maybe my "alt" fly's a Cyn? Anyways, the ship is still mobile and can run targets down by getting to the gate quicker than them thus securing you and your gang a kill. I just feel that its bonus is over looked. The warp bonus that is. In terms of small scale Guerilla pvp.... it's great.

In terms of versatility the Cyn can also be sued as an insta locking blapper. But I prefer the more traditional vagabond-like setup. For instance, they are great during fleet fights. If you have a prober and some Cyns they can be used to pop the lyncs of fleets and then get out before help arrives. Also great at picking off stragglers too. They compliment frig gangs very well (and can keep up). Bottom line: The Cynnabal is still a very strong ship. it's just not as popular anymore.
ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#7 - 2014-12-24 06:59:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ggodhsup
Chessur wrote:
Torothin wrote:
Hello,

After much testing I have come to the conclusion that the "recent" Cynnabal changes has made it a much better ship. Being able to respond to a PvP event in Eve is very important and getting to that event/incursion as quickly as possible is also vital. The Cynnabal excels at this and I feel that because of this, it is one of the premiere ships for small scale PvP and Guerilla warfare. I realize that in several aspects, the Cyn can be outperformed by the Orthrus, Gila, and VNI. However, that warp speed boost is just so underrated and also given the price comparison (minus the VNI), the Cyn wins.

Discuss.


Cynabal is the worst pirate cruiser ATM. It has horrible DPS and projection. Trading all of that for 1.5 Au/s warp speed over other cruisers is really pointless.

Guerrilla warfare? LOL I think its so cute when people with little to no PvP knowledge / experience use buzzwords like this to try and sound PvP literate. Looking at your kilboards, and you don't even fly a cynabal. Is this a troll?

Cynabal is horrible for small gang. It has a very small engagement profile, and other ship types does its job (anti-support) much better. Cynabal brings nothing noteworthy to a gang. Orthrus, VNI, Gila, Ashimmu, Scythe Fleet, Flycatcher, Heretic, Osprey Navy, Caracal, Phantasm, Vaga, Zealot, Ishtar, Vigilant, are better in every way.

The warp speed boost doesn't make up for the fact that Medium AC's are complete ****, and the vagabond out performs the cynabal in every possible way beyond that fact. If warp speed is that much of an issue for you, slap on a T1 hyper spacial rig to any curiser.



dude....you seem upset.

cynabal, you actually compared a ashimmu to it. the entire line of angel ship are better than you think. when was the last time you flew in fleet with one?

you put a number of sub-par ships above it. put that garbage aside and actually fit one. scrub. and then move in on the 4 we keep in fleet.....for reasons you obviously dont understand. bring what you got against our cyns....ill fit one for your benefit.

and we will have the pod you warp to celestials in.....for podmails....and lulz.....

EDIT: drams are fast......cyns are fast.......dont warp a pod to anything that is not a gate......angel ships will have it....like cristy canyon. (insert better than you phrase here.)
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#8 - 2014-12-24 07:59:56 UTC
Voi Lutois wrote:
Chessur wrote:


* No tracking bonus
* Destroys your fitting
* Still horrible DPS

No thank you.


[Cynabal]

3x Gyrostabilizer II (or 2x and DCU II)
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Warp Disruptor II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

4x 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Tracks fine if you don't perma run mwd and orbit, keep range is a thing and standard drop makes it even better. DPS and alpha is decent. Works for my space friends and I in our small gangs but what do I know... v0v


You are advocating a single LSE cruiser tank- with standard drop to help your abysmal tracking?

I can't believe you are serious......
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#9 - 2014-12-24 08:06:58 UTC
Torothin wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Torothin wrote:
Hello,

After much testing I have come to the conclusion that the "recent" Cynnabal changes has made it a much better ship. Being able to respond to a PvP event in Eve is very important and getting to that event/incursion as quickly as possible is also vital. The Cynnabal excels at this and I feel that because of this, it is one of the premiere ships for small scale PvP and Guerilla warfare. I realize that in several aspects, the Cyn can be outperformed by the Orthrus, Gila, and VNI. However, that warp speed boost is just so underrated and also given the price comparison (minus the VNI), the Cyn wins.

Discuss.


Cynabal is the worst pirate cruiser ATM. It has horrible DPS and projection. Trading all of that for 1.5 Au/s warp speed over other cruisers is really pointless.

Guerrilla warfare? LOL I think its so cute when people with little to no PvP knowledge / experience use buzzwords like this to try and sound PvP literate. Looking at your kilboards, and you don't even fly a cynabal. Is this a troll?

Cynabal is horrible for small gang. It has a very small engagement profile, and other ship types does its job (anti-support) much better. Cynabal brings nothing noteworthy to a gang. Orthrus, VNI, Gila, Ashimmu, Scythe Fleet, Flycatcher, Heretic, Osprey Navy, Caracal, Phantasm, Vaga, Zealot, Ishtar, Vigilant, are better in every way.

The warp speed boost doesn't make up for the fact that Medium AC's are complete ****, and the vagabond out performs the cynabal in every possible way beyond that fact. If warp speed is that much of an issue for you, slap on a T1 hyper spacial rig to any curiser.



Busting out the KB stats eh? There are these things called "alts" perhaps maybe my "alt" fly's a Cyn? Anyways, the ship is still mobile and can run targets down by getting to the gate quicker than them thus securing you and your gang a kill. I just feel that its bonus is over looked. The warp bonus that is. In terms of small scale Guerilla pvp.... it's great.

In terms of versatility the Cyn can also be sued as an insta locking blapper. But I prefer the more traditional vagabond-like setup. For instance, they are great during fleet fights. If you have a prober and some Cyns they can be used to pop the lyncs of fleets and then get out before help arrives. Also great at picking off stragglers too. They compliment frig gangs very well (and can keep up). Bottom line: The Cynnabal is still a very strong ship. it's just not as popular anymore.


* Guerilla PvP does not exist in eve. Outside of cloaky alt camping / blops
* You are trying to tell me that the cynabal is mobile. I have news for you. So are the other ships I have listed. However those ships have more DPS, projection, utlity or EHP than your cruiser.
* Post on your main, not an alt.
* Cynabal is not versatile. If you are seriously trying to advocate insta lock gate camps as PvP, i think you should take a second and define actual PvP. Because gate camping takes 0 skill, 0 risk. It is ganking. Many ships can gank.
* Cynabals are not great during fleets. They are horrible brawlers, and mediocre kiters. Thanks in part to their large sig, comparatively weak EHP, and since the TE nerf- have no DPS or Projection.
* Ship is not mobile. 4 Au/s is not getting you anyplace significantly faster than 3. If you were going Inty / frig warp speed then sure. But 1au/s is not worth it.
* Great for picking off stranglers? What? Any ship can do this. If a pilot is ******** and you piont them, congrats - you get a kill.
* They don't compliment frig gangs, they are not frigs.
* If your argument is: I can kill things in a cynabal, then congrats- your right. I can kill things in a stabber. Doesnt make it good or nearly optimal however.
ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#10 - 2014-12-24 08:07:55 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Voi Lutois wrote:
Chessur wrote:


* No tracking bonus
* Destroys your fitting
* Still horrible DPS

No thank you.


[Cynabal]

3x Gyrostabilizer II (or 2x and DCU II)
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Warp Disruptor II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

4x 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Tracks fine if you don't perma run mwd and orbit, keep range is a thing and standard drop makes it even better. DPS and alpha is decent. Works for my space friends and I in our small gangs but what do I know... v0v


You are advocating a single LSE cruiser tank- with standard drop to help your abysmal tracking?

I can't believe you are serious......


this is amazing.....a falloff bonused hulll?! wth artys.....pleases do me a favor and hop into resbroko with that......i will softly swoon you with a stabber like a porno. and make my KB look like im pro......bring some friends....you are going to need them.
ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#11 - 2014-12-24 08:11:09 UTC  |  Edited by: ggodhsup
Chessur wrote:
Torothin wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Torothin wrote:
Hello,

After much testing I have come to the conclusion that the "recent" Cynnabal changes has made it a much better ship. Being able to respond to a PvP event in Eve is very important and getting to that event/incursion as quickly as possible is also vital. The Cynnabal excels at this and I feel that because of this, it is one of the premiere ships for small scale PvP and Guerilla warfare. I realize that in several aspects, the Cyn can be outperformed by the Orthrus, Gila, and VNI. However, that warp speed boost is just so underrated and also given the price comparison (minus the VNI), the Cyn wins.

Discuss.


Cynabal is the worst pirate cruiser ATM. It has horrible DPS and projection. Trading all of that for 1.5 Au/s warp speed over other cruisers is really pointless.

Guerrilla warfare? LOL I think its so cute when people with little to no PvP knowledge / experience use buzzwords like this to try and sound PvP literate. Looking at your kilboards, and you don't even fly a cynabal. Is this a troll?

Cynabal is horrible for small gang. It has a very small engagement profile, and other ship types does its job (anti-support) much better. Cynabal brings nothing noteworthy to a gang. Orthrus, VNI, Gila, Ashimmu, Scythe Fleet, Flycatcher, Heretic, Osprey Navy, Caracal, Phantasm, Vaga, Zealot, Ishtar, Vigilant, are better in every way.

The warp speed boost doesn't make up for the fact that Medium AC's are complete ****, and the vagabond out performs the cynabal in every possible way beyond that fact. If warp speed is that much of an issue for you, slap on a T1 hyper spacial rig to any curiser.



Busting out the KB stats eh? There are these things called "alts" perhaps maybe my "alt" fly's a Cyn? Anyways, the ship is still mobile and can run targets down by getting to the gate quicker than them thus securing you and your gang a kill. I just feel that its bonus is over looked. The warp bonus that is. In terms of small scale Guerilla pvp.... it's great.

In terms of versatility the Cyn can also be sued as an insta locking blapper. But I prefer the more traditional vagabond-like setup. For instance, they are great during fleet fights. If you have a prober and some Cyns they can be used to pop the lyncs of fleets and then get out before help arrives. Also great at picking off stragglers too. They compliment frig gangs very well (and can keep up). Bottom line: The Cynnabal is still a very strong ship. it's just not as popular anymore.


* Guerilla PvP does not exist in eve. Outside of cloaky alt camping / blops
* You are trying to tell me that the cynabal is mobile. I have news for you. So are the other ships I have listed. However those ships have more DPS, projection, utlity or EHP than your cruiser.
* Post on your main, not an alt.
* Cynabal is not versatile. If you are seriously trying to advocate insta lock gate camps as PvP, i think you should take a second and define actual PvP. Because gate camping takes 0 skill, 0 risk. It is ganking. Many ships can gank.
* Cynabals are not great during fleets. They are horrible brawlers, and mediocre kiters. Thanks in part to their large sig, comparatively weak EHP, and since the TE nerf- have no DPS or Projection.
* Ship is not mobile. 4 Au/s is not getting you anyplace significantly faster than 3. If you were going Inty / frig warp speed then sure. But 1au/s is not worth it.
* Great for picking off stranglers? What? Any ship can do this. If a pilot is ******** and you piont them, congrats - you get a kill.
* They don't compliment frig gangs, they are not frigs.
* If your argument is: I can kill things in a cynabal, then congrats- your right. I can kill things in a stabber. Doesnt make it good or nearly optimal however.


chess i find you absolutely offensive sometimes.....but your facts make sense......still offensive....i hate you.

EDIT: its the angel line.....the dram gets pods....that needs some respect.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#12 - 2014-12-24 08:19:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Chessur
ggodhsup wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Torothin wrote:
Hello,

After much testing I have come to the conclusion that the "recent" Cynnabal changes has made it a much better ship. Being able to respond to a PvP event in Eve is very important and getting to that event/incursion as quickly as possible is also vital. The Cynnabal excels at this and I feel that because of this, it is one of the premiere ships for small scale PvP and Guerilla warfare. I realize that in several aspects, the Cyn can be outperformed by the Orthrus, Gila, and VNI. However, that warp speed boost is just so underrated and also given the price comparison (minus the VNI), the Cyn wins.

Discuss.


Cynabal is the worst pirate cruiser ATM. It has horrible DPS and projection. Trading all of that for 1.5 Au/s warp speed over other cruisers is really pointless.

Guerrilla warfare? LOL I think its so cute when people with little to no PvP knowledge / experience use buzzwords like this to try and sound PvP literate. Looking at your kilboards, and you don't even fly a cynabal. Is this a troll?

Cynabal is horrible for small gang. It has a very small engagement profile, and other ship types does its job (anti-support) much better. Cynabal brings nothing noteworthy to a gang. Orthrus, VNI, Gila, Ashimmu, Scythe Fleet, Flycatcher, Heretic, Osprey Navy, Caracal, Phantasm, Vaga, Zealot, Ishtar, Vigilant, are better in every way.

The warp speed boost doesn't make up for the fact that Medium AC's are complete ****, and the vagabond out performs the cynabal in every possible way beyond that fact. If warp speed is that much of an issue for you, slap on a T1 hyper spacial rig to any curiser.



dude....you seem upset.

cynabal, you actually compared a ashimmu to it. the entire line of angel ship are better than you think. when was the last time you flew in fleet with one?

you put a number of sub-par ships above it. put that garbage aside and actually fit one. scrub. and then move in on the 4 we keep in fleet.....for reasons you obviously dont understand. bring what you got against our cyns....ill fit one for your benefit.

and we will have the pod you warp to celestials in.....for podmails....and lulz.....

EDIT: drams are fast......cyns are fast.......dont warp a pod to anything that is not a gate......angel ships will have it....like cristy canyon. (insert better than you phrase here.)


* Not upset, just posting factual information
* Angel ships are ****, outside of the machariel, which is amazing. They are **** becuase AC's are a horrible weapon system. Large AC's on the Nado and Mach especially are still in a nice place currently.
* I fly with God's apples Machariel very often. I fly his anti-support (orthrus btw); Infact just a few days ago I was flying my nano nightmare with his mach- so yes I have experience with the angel line.
* Cynabal can be easily killed by: Phantasm, Ashimmu, Vigilant, Omen Navy, Orthrus, Gila, Vexor Navy, Curse, Vagabond, Ishtar, Zealot, Deimos, Cerb, Oracle, Tornado, Cruise Phoon, *Any Pirate BS* Nano Apoc, Napoc, Raven. Need I go on?
* You really are going to go into personal attacks and call me a scrub? Thats cute.
* I have fit cynabals, many times. I do have EFT
* I have fought many cynabals. They are not impressive ships, nor something I fear. Infact if you check my KB's recently, some hot shot cynabals / other cruisers thought they could take on a nightmare. Didn't go well for them. Cynabals are flown by peope who are either hard core RP players, or players that don't spend enough time in EFT- end of story.
* I will happily fight 2v4 Odds against cynabals any day of the week.
* Stop mouthing off about pointless pod kills. Seriously, you are an alt. Stop embarrassing yourself.
* Drams and cynabals are fast. They cant kill a pod. Pods have instant align. So, provided no lag and everyone being present at a keyboard- never going to catch one with out a bubble. That goes for all ships.
* Drams dont get pods. Cloaky warp speed rigged, large smart bomb proteus gets pods. Talk to a man by the name of Santo Trafficante. He is the pod killing master, currently working for SnuffBox in Black Rise Space.
Voi Lutois
Vonkell
#13 - 2014-12-24 08:28:33 UTC
Chessur wrote:


You are advocating a single LSE cruiser tank- with standard drop to help your abysmal tracking?

I can't believe you are serious......


I can't believe YOU are serious either. It tracks fine even without the drop if you are not a perma mwd orbit ******. You are off yer **** on this one m8r. Merry Christmas.
Voi Lutois
Vonkell
#14 - 2014-12-24 08:34:50 UTC
ggodhsup wrote:


this is amazing.....a falloff bonused hulll?! wth artys.....pleases do me a favor and hop into resbroko with that......i will softly swoon you with a stabber like a porno. and make my KB look like im pro......bring some friends....you are going to need them.


I / we roam around that way pretty often so should see you at some point))
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#15 - 2014-12-24 08:49:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Chessur
Voi Lutois wrote:
Chessur wrote:


You are advocating a single LSE cruiser tank- with standard drop to help your abysmal tracking?

I can't believe you are serious......


I can't believe YOU are serious either. It tracks fine even without the drop if you are not a perma mwd orbit ******. You are off yer **** on this one m8r. Merry Christmas.


*Glad you can get kills, snaked, linked, and killing small **** (not faction or linked) in your cynabal. *Golf Clapping* Why dont you actually try something difficult, something involving some risk?

* Are you the guys that make the 'Progression' Videos? I remember watching your October release.... I watched the first fight: Dual linked, snaked pimped stratios vs merlin + Cynabal. Someone thought that was a good fight? And even worse- thought it was good enough to FRAPs and put on youtube? Heh, that some gooooood content there. I stopped watching after that.

* Get over youself. Your entire lens of PvP is from a risk averse FW plex camper who uses pimped out ships to kill underwhelming things. Its not impressive.

*Why have you not flown a Cynabal in months?

* Happy Holidays
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#16 - 2014-12-24 09:09:47 UTC
I'm personally going to take chessur's word on this one.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#17 - 2014-12-24 09:21:43 UTC
Chessur wrote:

* I fly with God's Apples


Shoutout to myself.

I've flown both arty and AC variants of the cynabal with snakes and links. It truly is a terrible ship. The arty fit is outclassed by the beam phantasm in every way. A rail thorax is essentially as effective as the arty cynabal. The AC cynabal even with triple TE does anemic damage at range. The cynabal would be a great ship if it cost 50 mill. But for now you are paying full price for a glorified t1 cruiser that warps kinda fast.

Compare that to phantasm which has an AB that gives it not only a sick sig tank but also an escape mechanism; the ashimmu not only has the neuting strength of a pilgrim and super nos, but also a web that goes to like 45km with links; the vigilant does nearly 1k dps with rails and can track frigs at point blank. That's not even mentioning the gila and orthrus. What does the cynabal have? Mediocre dps and tank and the warp speed of a destroyer.

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#18 - 2014-12-24 09:44:07 UTC
I used to love the arty cyn till the TE murder occured. Now if I want a ship to do that job I take the rail vigilant. Its the only single extender cruiser I can think of thats viable in a competitive environment.

At the OP cynabal is just bad now in comparison to other options. Vaga is much better at the same stuff so...
Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#19 - 2014-12-24 15:03:26 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Torothin wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Torothin wrote:
Hello,

After much testing I have come to the conclusion that the "recent" Cynnabal changes has made it a much better ship. Being able to respond to a PvP event in Eve is very important and getting to that event/incursion as quickly as possible is also vital. The Cynnabal excels at this and I feel that because of this, it is one of the premiere ships for small scale PvP and Guerilla warfare. I realize that in several aspects, the Cyn can be outperformed by the Orthrus, Gila, and VNI. However, that warp speed boost is just so underrated and also given the price comparison (minus the VNI), the Cyn wins.

Discuss.


Cynabal is the worst pirate cruiser ATM. It has horrible DPS and projection. Trading all of that for 1.5 Au/s warp speed over other cruisers is really pointless.

Guerrilla warfare? LOL I think its so cute when people with little to no PvP knowledge / experience use buzzwords like this to try and sound PvP literate. Looking at your kilboards, and you don't even fly a cynabal. Is this a troll?

Cynabal is horrible for small gang. It has a very small engagement profile, and other ship types does its job (anti-support) much better. Cynabal brings nothing noteworthy to a gang. Orthrus, VNI, Gila, Ashimmu, Scythe Fleet, Flycatcher, Heretic, Osprey Navy, Caracal, Phantasm, Vaga, Zealot, Ishtar, Vigilant, are better in every way.

The warp speed boost doesn't make up for the fact that Medium AC's are complete ****, and the vagabond out performs the cynabal in every possible way beyond that fact. If warp speed is that much of an issue for you, slap on a T1 hyper spacial rig to any curiser.



Busting out the KB stats eh? There are these things called "alts" perhaps maybe my "alt" fly's a Cyn? Anyways, the ship is still mobile and can run targets down by getting to the gate quicker than them thus securing you and your gang a kill. I just feel that its bonus is over looked. The warp bonus that is. In terms of small scale Guerilla pvp.... it's great.

In terms of versatility the Cyn can also be sued as an insta locking blapper. But I prefer the more traditional vagabond-like setup. For instance, they are great during fleet fights. If you have a prober and some Cyns they can be used to pop the lyncs of fleets and then get out before help arrives. Also great at picking off stragglers too. They compliment frig gangs very well (and can keep up). Bottom line: The Cynnabal is still a very strong ship. it's just not as popular anymore.


* Guerilla PvP does not exist in eve. Outside of cloaky alt camping / blops
* You are trying to tell me that the cynabal is mobile. I have news for you. So are the other ships I have listed. However those ships have more DPS, projection, utlity or EHP than your cruiser.
* Post on your main, not an alt.
* Cynabal is not versatile. If you are seriously trying to advocate insta lock gate camps as PvP, i think you should take a second and define actual PvP. Because gate camping takes 0 skill, 0 risk. It is ganking. Many ships can gank.
* Cynabals are not great during fleets. They are horrible brawlers, and mediocre kiters. Thanks in part to their large sig, comparatively weak EHP, and since the TE nerf- have no DPS or Projection.
* Ship is not mobile. 4 Au/s is not getting you anyplace significantly faster than 3. If you were going Inty / frig warp speed then sure. But 1au/s is not worth it.
* Great for picking off stranglers? What? Any ship can do this. If a pilot is ******** and you piont them, congrats - you get a kill.
* They don't compliment frig gangs, they are not frigs.
* If your argument is: I can kill things in a cynabal, then congrats- your right. I can kill things in a stabber. Doesnt make it good or nearly optimal however.


Coming from a guy that this questioned why an LSE was fitted to the poster above. I question your ability to PvP or understand proper gaming mechanics. Therefore, I can only take what you say with a grain of salt and not in any way take it seriously. As for posting with my main and not an alt. This is my main. However, I did not realize you're a forum moderator. You totally have a knack for it....
Voi Lutois
Vonkell
#20 - 2014-12-24 15:15:44 UTC
Chessur wrote:

* I fly with God's Apples


Ahh I see now, this is why you come off as such a massive ******* ****)))

I guess we can disagree on this, it might seem underwhelming compared to a rail or pulse boat right now but it is in no way useless, awful at small gang, horrible, etc. You are just being extremely dramatic but again what do I know? I am just some **** fw pvper that makes terrible videos on youtube sometimes. I know absolutely nothing.
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