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If the PLEX can only be traded one time.

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Leia Stellate
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-12-23 14:29:45 UTC
Xavier Holtzman wrote:
Leia Stellate wrote:
Clever than CCP

If each PLEX could be traded only one time.
What would happen next?P
Maybe it could stop the rising price of PLEX.



PLEX prices are going down.

What is an appropriate price for PLEX?


i dont know. but believe me, low prices are temporary, PLEX prices will keep rising if ccp don't take fundamental actions.

think about: if a new player comes to EVE, he find that everything is on an odd high price, he check out the PLEX, omg it's 8bil, if I don't spend my real money to redeem PLEX, how can I live in this universe?

That's what i'm worried. I want this game better, afterall everything will be late when that day comes
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-12-23 15:13:14 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Leia Stellate wrote:
handige harrie wrote:
VaIefar Drekavac wrote:
So much for player driven economy.


? Plex are still sold and bought by players, this thought experiment would change nothing about that.


but that can prevent speculate, let the plex stay in some normal price. because plex is for using, not for speculation.


BS!
PLEX where created for the market. The use for speculation is expected and intended.
,
But the more you Post, the more it gets obvious, that you are One of the typical plex-price-is-to-high whiner.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2014-12-23 15:18:49 UTC
It's a smart choice to change it to only be traded once. While it would in fact cause the price to increase at first, it would quickly cause the price to drop sharply thereafter, as the mega-rich who hoard PLEX to keep their isk immune to inflation, can no longer hoard them. (And even the non-mega-rich, hell even I keep about 20b in PLEX, and that's pocket change compared to the hoarders.)

The result is that people who actually "USE" the PLEX will be the ones buying them, and not isk hoarders. Resulting in better supply, and hence lower prices.
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#24 - 2014-12-23 15:19:12 UTC
Yeah let's cripple the eco omy with this change and make thousands of people unhappy,
because they can't trade in PLEX anymore.

Such a brilliant idea, totally not born out of selfishness.

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Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
Ayx Shewma
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-12-23 15:24:45 UTC
VaIefar Drekavac wrote:
So much for player driven economy.


This.

We need fewer restrictions, not more.

EVE is a libertarian game, not communist.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-12-23 15:26:29 UTC
Abyss Azizora wrote:
It's a smart choice to change it to only be traded once. While it would in fact cause the price to increase at first, it would quickly cause the price to drop sharply thereafter, as the mega-rich who hoard PLEX to keep their isk immune to inflation, can no longer hoard them. (And even the non-mega-rich, hell even I keep about 20b in PLEX, and that's pocket change compared to the hoarders.)

The result is that people who actually "USE" the PLEX will be the ones buying them, and not isk hoarders. Resulting in better supply, and hence lower prices.


No, its plain stupid.
Whats so hard to understand?
Selling and re-selling is the Intention behind Plex.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#27 - 2014-12-23 15:33:56 UTC
Leia Stellate wrote:
Xavier Holtzman wrote:
Leia Stellate wrote:
Clever than CCP

If each PLEX could be traded only one time.
What would happen next?P
Maybe it could stop the rising price of PLEX.



PLEX prices are going down.

What is an appropriate price for PLEX?


i dont know. but believe me, low prices are temporary, PLEX prices will keep rising if ccp don't take fundamental actions.

think about: if a new player comes to EVE, he find that everything is on an odd high price, he check out the PLEX, omg it's 8bil, if I don't spend my real money to redeem PLEX, how can I live in this universe?

That's what i'm worried. I want this game better, afterall everything will be late when that day comes


So 817mil and falling is too much? Please answer my question and tell me what an appropriate price would be?

Also, you speak about PLEX like its every players god given right to buy, sell, possess and use PLEX. PLEX is nothing more than a luxury item. If you can afford it .. GREAT! If you can't, no big deal. There are bigger and better things in EVE than PLEX and their prices.

Also, I don't understand how the price of PLEX makes "everything is on an odd high price." I also don't uderstand what you mean by "if I don't spend my real money to redeem plex, how can I survive?" So, you're trying to tell me that PLEX prices will drive up the price of EVERYTHING ELSE, at which point the new player will convince him/herself that he/she must purchase a PLEX with real money so that they can sell it to get more ISK so that they can purchase items in EVE Online that are ridiculously expensive because PLEX prices are ridiculously expensive?

I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
Leia Stellate
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-12-23 15:36:46 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
Leia Stellate wrote:
handige harrie wrote:
VaIefar Drekavac wrote:
So much for player driven economy.


? Plex are still sold and bought by players, this thought experiment would change nothing about that.


but that can prevent speculate, let the plex stay in some normal price. because plex is for using, not for speculation.


BS!
PLEX where created for the market. The use for speculation is expected and intended.
,
But the more you Post, the more it gets obvious, that you are One of the typical plex-price-is-to-high whiner.


But PLEX is created by real money, not redeem from LP or manufactured in stations. It should be controled because it is equal to RMT. The only difference is the seller is CCP itself.
Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#29 - 2014-12-23 15:44:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Xavier Holtzman
Leia Stellate wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
Leia Stellate wrote:
handige harrie wrote:
VaIefar Drekavac wrote:
So much for player driven economy.


? Plex are still sold and bought by players, this thought experiment would change nothing about that.


but that can prevent speculate, let the plex stay in some normal price. because plex is for using, not for speculation.


BS!
PLEX where created for the market. The use for speculation is expected and intended.
,
But the more you Post, the more it gets obvious, that you are One of the typical plex-price-is-to-high whiner.


But PLEX is created by real money, not redeem from LP or manufactured in stations. It should be controled because it is equal to RMT. The only difference is the seller is CCP itself.


So why didn't you say that from the very beginning? Why has it taken you this long to come out and say your reason for wanting PLEX to be only tradable once? Why didn't you say in your OP that PLEX prices should only be tradable once because PLEX is equal to RMT?

Oh thats right, because the reason you posted your terrible idea to begin with is because you can't afford to buy PLEX and you think the price should be lower. Not because "it is equal to RMT."

edit: by the way, you never answered my question..... How much should a PLEX cost? Let me guess .. they should cost less than the amount of ISK you currently have.

I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
Leia Stellate
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-12-23 15:46:13 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
Leia Stellate wrote:
handige harrie wrote:
VaIefar Drekavac wrote:
So much for player driven economy.


? Plex are still sold and bought by players, this thought experiment would change nothing about that.


but that can prevent speculate, let the plex stay in some normal price. because plex is for using, not for speculation.


BS!
PLEX where created for the market. The use for speculation is expected and intended.
,
But the more you Post, the more it gets obvious, that you are One of the typical plex-price-is-to-high whiner.


No, i don't think the price is too high, but it should be noticed. Im not whiner, I'm telling the truth. have you listened warm boiled frog before? yeah , maybe we are the frog now
Francis Inch
Kador Defence Initiative
#31 - 2014-12-23 15:52:09 UTC
Leia Stellate wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
Leia Stellate wrote:
handige harrie wrote:
VaIefar Drekavac wrote:
So much for player driven economy.


? Plex are still sold and bought by players, this thought experiment would change nothing about that.


but that can prevent speculate, let the plex stay in some normal price. because plex is for using, not for speculation.


BS!
PLEX where created for the market. The use for speculation is expected and intended.
,
But the more you Post, the more it gets obvious, that you are One of the typical plex-price-is-to-high whiner.


But PLEX is created by real money, not redeem from LP or manufactured in stations. It should be controled because it is equal to RMT. The only difference is the seller is CCP itself.



It is controlled. CCP set the price in real currency and its value is constant - one month's worth of game time. How players choose to value that remains a matter of personal choice - no one is forced to use them and no one has the right to deserve or demand them.

Fundamentally EVE is not a Free 2 Play game and any argument otherwise will not change PLEX only encourage their removal.
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#32 - 2014-12-23 15:53:25 UTC
Why can't people just link to all the other threads with ...
... EXACTLY THE SAME QUESTIONS ...
... with the exact SAME RESPONSES!

This way trolls like the OP would have no ground playing you people ...
... but I know, you lot want to be played anyway.

Any ets on how many pages this will reach?

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-12-23 15:58:06 UTC
Noticed?

CCP knows who owns all the PLEX in game and how much they are worth in ISK and RM.
It is a risk to make such deals possible. If i am not wrong CCP hired a market specialist extra for the markets.
If PLEX cost to much isk, CCP sell more PLEX for real money. If PLEX cost not much ISK, PLEX will be bought ingame. The amount of availlable PLEX would sink and ISK price would rise again...

The ones that could be hurt alot?
The ingame PLEX speculators.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-12-23 16:01:34 UTC
Sol Project wrote:
Why can't people just link to all the other threads with ...
... EXACTLY THE SAME QUESTIONS ...
... with the exact SAME RESPONSES!

This way trolls like the OP would have no ground playing you people ...
... but I know, you lot want to be played anyway.

Any ets on how many pages this will reach?


No, no idea, but he sounds like another guy coming from serenity.

A lock would be more than OK.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#35 - 2014-12-23 16:02:29 UTC
Internet Economists are coming out..

Again.



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#36 - 2014-12-23 16:13:46 UTC
Abyss Azizora wrote:
It's a smart choice to change it to only be traded once. While it would in fact cause the price to increase at first, it would quickly cause the price to drop sharply thereafter, as the mega-rich who hoard PLEX to keep their isk immune to inflation, can no longer hoard them. (And even the non-mega-rich, hell even I keep about 20b in PLEX, and that's pocket change compared to the hoarders.)

The result is that people who actually "USE" the PLEX will be the ones buying them, and not isk hoarders. Resulting in better supply, and hence lower prices.


Why not make every item in the game follow this rule?

The only people who buy ships will be the ones who use them. The only people who buy Damage Control IIs are the ones who use them.

No more market trading for anything, because buying and selling is obviously bad and we need to remove this ultra-important cornerstone of the Eve economy.

Why? Because the OP and this guy are worried that prices might actually go up and down in an open market.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
knowsitall
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2014-12-23 16:18:53 UTC  |  Edited by: knowsitall
Leia Stellate wrote:
Clever than CCP

If each PLEX could be traded only one time.
What would happen next?P
Maybe it could stop the rising price of PLEX.

I think the biggest failure of the design of EVE Online is that PLEX can be traded unlimited, this makes PLEX has unparalleled speculation value


PLEX can never be too high. They have an infinite non time bound supply (as far as in game is concerned). The only people that think PLEX is too high is the buyers. Im sure the sellers are happy with high PLEX prices. If PLEX gets too high FOR YOU don't buy them, then the price will fall as demand falls. Eve is not and never has been a free to play game. It is just some players trade subscription time to buy in game isk grinding time. Others trade in game isk grinding time for subscription time. The price you pay for that conversion is set by what PLAYERS are prepared to pay. As with everything in Eve (and in general), its worth is what someone will pay, not what it cost.


KIA
Sam am
Die unsozialen Piraten
#38 - 2014-12-23 16:20:16 UTC
At first i thought it was a good idea. Then i realized,that less availibility means higher prices.
No,bc no.
Signal11th
#39 - 2014-12-23 16:20:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
pretty simple answer to be honest just put a time limit on plex, say 30/60 days then no one can hold onto it.it either gets used or it expires.

Personally I couldnt care if they go up or goes down as I don't use enough to worry about it.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#40 - 2014-12-23 16:28:28 UTC
Buyers wish to pay less.
Seller wishes to be payed more.

I think that sums it up?