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If the PLEX can only be traded one time.

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Leia Stellate
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-12-23 07:44:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Leia Stellate
Clever than CCP

If each PLEX could be traded only one time.
What would happen next?P
Maybe it could stop the rising price of PLEX.

I think the biggest failure of the design of EVE Online is that PLEX can be traded unlimited, this makes PLEX has unparalleled speculation value
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-12-23 08:00:24 UTC
Always thought this was a good idea, too.

Players with huge amounts of ISK can manipulate any market.

This is fine as long as the effects are in-game, but PLEX prices affect players RL choices to buy PLEX for cash, sub, grind ISK, or just unsub some or all accounts.

I never thought that was a good thing...

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Miko Valentine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-12-23 08:07:18 UTC
yeah CCP should Change the Plex .

maybe the solution is that you have to Change yourself
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#4 - 2014-12-23 08:09:29 UTC
...then PLEX prices would fall in ISK, with no change to the effort required to earn that ISK in game, meaning more people would turn to illicit RMT as their method of choice for 'buying' ISK.

Bad idea.

More account hacking would be the #1 effect of this change.

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#5 - 2014-12-23 08:37:17 UTC
Stealth PLEX whine thread.
Heard it before, so its not allowed to be discussed here. This forum is only for totally new ideas and concepts.
Gas thread.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-12-23 08:44:22 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
...then PLEX prices would fall in ISK, with no change to the effort required to earn that ISK in game, meaning more people would turn to illicit RMT as their method of choice for 'buying' ISK.

Bad idea.

More account hacking would be the #1 effect of this change.
Why are you so sure about that?

If anything, supply would decrease dramatically.

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Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#7 - 2014-12-23 09:04:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Sequester Risalo
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
...then PLEX prices would fall in ISK, with no change to the effort required to earn that ISK in game, meaning more people would turn to illicit RMT as their method of choice for 'buying' ISK.

Bad idea.

More account hacking would be the #1 effect of this change.



It really depends on how low the price would fall.I take it that at one point in time plex prices were only half of the last peak. Are you implying that at that point in time there was more illicit RMT and more account hacking?

I doubt this. I think that there is only a minority who would venture into the field of illicit or even illegal behaviour. And of this minority a fraction would do this regardless of the price.

If plexes could only be traded once obviously only those who actually are going to use them will ever buy. This reduced demand will most likely lead to a reduced price. No one knows how much the price would drop.
VaIefar Drekavac
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-12-23 09:10:32 UTC
So much for player driven economy.
SpaceSaft
Almost Dangerous
Wolves Amongst Strangers
#9 - 2014-12-23 09:55:45 UTC
I thought about that too, but it really wouldn't work. Any thing like that would break the market in one form or another.

Increased taxes would just increase price or decrease the $ to Isk ratio which is to the detrement of people buying isk with $ legally.

Trading limitations would decrease the market volume if anything, which would drive prices up even more. Wouldn't want to waste your 1 sell per plex on a price too cheap right?

In the end the jita plex market just reflects game time value very well. I don't think that has to change.

Any change in how that's being valued should come from increasing challenge for ratting or such things. For example I've recently experienced just how ridiculously easy and boring it is to rat with sentries in nullsec.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#10 - 2014-12-23 11:31:48 UTC
Leia Stellate wrote:
Clever than CCP

If each PLEX could be traded only one time.
What would happen next?P
Maybe it could stop the rising price of PLEX.

I think the biggest failure of the design of EVE Online is that PLEX can be traded unlimited, this makes PLEX has unparalleled speculation value


You think prices are too high, therefore you want to change something... something you admit that you have no idea what the repercussions would be.

I think the biggest failure of your idea is that you think a random limitation is better than simple supply and demand that we have now.

If you think PLEX prices are high, go buy some and sell them on the market. If you think PLEX prices will continue to rise, acquire some and hold them as an investment.

If you can't afford either of these options, why are you worried about the price of a Ferrari on a Ford budget? PLEX are a luxury item, not a necessity.

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Eve Cluster Explorations
#11 - 2014-12-23 12:39:32 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Players with huge amounts of ISK can manipulate any market.

This is fine as long as the effects are in-game, but PLEX prices
PLEX price in RL money is unaffected. Only PLEX value in-game is affected.

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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-12-23 12:51:36 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Leia Stellate wrote:
Clever than CCP

If each PLEX could be traded only one time.
What would happen next?P
Maybe it could stop the rising price of PLEX.

I think the biggest failure of the design of EVE Online is that PLEX can be traded unlimited, this makes PLEX has unparalleled speculation value


You think prices are too high, therefore you want to change something... something you admit that you have no idea what the repercussions would be.

I think the biggest failure of your idea is that you think a random limitation is better than simple supply and demand that we have now.

If you think PLEX prices are high, go buy some and sell them on the market. If you think PLEX prices will continue to rise, acquire some and hold them as an investment.

If you can't afford either of these options, why are you worried about the price of a Ferrari on a Ford budget? PLEX are a luxury item, not a necessity.

ISD, you have the Internet's permission to lock the thread now.

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Leia Stellate
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-12-23 13:31:52 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Leia Stellate wrote:
Clever than CCP

If each PLEX could be traded only one time.
What would happen next?P
Maybe it could stop the rising price of PLEX.

I think the biggest failure of the design of EVE Online is that PLEX can be traded unlimited, this makes PLEX has unparalleled speculation value


You think prices are too high, therefore you want to change something... something you admit that you have no idea what the repercussions would be.

I think the biggest failure of your idea is that you think a random limitation is better than simple supply and demand that we have now.

If you think PLEX prices are high, go buy some and sell them on the market. If you think PLEX prices will continue to rise, acquire some and hold them as an investment.

If you can't afford either of these options, why are you worried about the price of a Ferrari on a Ford budget? PLEX are a luxury item, not a necessity.


If you think 800mil isk is a Ferrari, what will happen while PLEX rise to 8billion. I'm not talking about buying plex or selling plex. I'm worried about if plex keep rising (some businessman have huge amount of isk, what if they do some malicious speculation make the plex to a very high price, for example 8billion) , then economic crisis break out. This is not good signal to this game.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#14 - 2014-12-23 13:39:16 UTC
Right now a plex costs about 28 million isk per day. If you can't make 28 million isk per day, you should not be using PLEX.

So what if someone manipulates plex prices? This is a game, yo shouldn't be plexing more accounts than you could pay for with cash anyway.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-12-23 13:49:08 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
I agree its a PLEX whine thread.

One assumption was bann isboxer and PLEX prices would drop. They did, but they recovered to a certain grade.
PLEX as item that can be marketed is the intended idea, the OP idea is the same as removing PLEX complety from EvE.

Put something on the market and supply and demand will make the price. It can be manipulated to a certain degree but that would be only be reliable if one had a monopoly on it. One has. CCP! But its not CCP who keeps the prices up. Traders do.
Even MMOs like WoW has players who do nothing else then trading. So with a Market like New Eden, what would you think?
Eve might be the most interesting MMO-market there is. Stuff is lost for good and can not be restored. Almost every game relevant stuff has to be mined from rocks or moons, researched and build. google for hulkageddon...
Those traders laugh their heads of for the hate that miners get for AFK Playing.
Thats why i despise this freaking AFK argument of some certain wackos , it overlooks those traders completly. *They* can do a lot of harm.

So, OP, thats a completly stupid idea.

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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-12-23 13:57:13 UTC
Leia Stellate wrote:
what will happen while PLEX rise to 8billion. I'm not talking about buying plex or selling plex. I'm worried about if plex keep rising (some businessman have huge amount of isk, what if they do some malicious speculation make the plex to a very high price, for example 8billion) , then economic crisis break out. This is not good signal to this game.


If they would cost 8bill and ppl would buy them directly from CCP. Seller could not sell for the price. The price would drop.
Who would be the victim of those booooohooo crisis?
Hm?
The people who whould hoard those PLEXes...
Pirate
Well, that would be the people who where interested in those high prices. And since the empire will not have to rescue those bad banks, the playing folks would come out unharmed.Cool

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handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
#17 - 2014-12-23 14:01:43 UTC
VaIefar Drekavac wrote:
So much for player driven economy.


? Plex are still sold and bought by players, this thought experiment would change nothing about that.

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Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#18 - 2014-12-23 14:02:25 UTC
I hate to post in a plex thread but...

As someone else mentioned, this would drastically decrease the amount of plex on the market. If supply drops while demand remains constant, price will increase. It's basic supply and demand. It's like saying lets stop drilling for oil to lower the price of gas.

I really don't see why on earth a plex thread is even showing up right now. The price has been plummeting the last few weeks all because the market is saturated with plex sell orders. At this point I'd love to see the price going up again. My wallet is getting a little light and I'm certainly not selling low.

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Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#19 - 2014-12-23 14:13:38 UTC
Leia Stellate wrote:
Clever than CCP

If each PLEX could be traded only one time.
What would happen next?P
Maybe it could stop the rising price of PLEX.



PLEX prices are going down.

What is an appropriate price for PLEX?

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Leia Stellate
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-12-23 14:18:03 UTC
handige harrie wrote:
VaIefar Drekavac wrote:
So much for player driven economy.


? Plex are still sold and bought by players, this thought experiment would change nothing about that.


but that can prevent speculate, let the plex stay in some normal price. because plex is for using, not for speculation.
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