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Question: 30 Day Time Limit?
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Morgan Johnstone
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-12-23 07:43:44 UTC
Hi, I'm finding one thing that is very annoying. When I go to research a BPO it says it will take X days X hours X minutes. I try to click Start but it says the job is over the 30 day maximum. I have no clue how to get around this. What do I do?

Morgan Johnstone

Disabled Players Union
Whalt Thisney
StellarTech Industries
#2 - 2014-12-23 10:04:54 UTC
Research for lower levels first - ME9 or ME8, after it ends, stat final level of research.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-12-23 17:32:35 UTC
It's 30 days or the time required for a single run, whichever is longer. So if ME 9 to ME 10 will take 100 days, you can put that in as a single job, but you can't put ME 8 to ME 10 in.
SJ Astralana
Syncore
#4 - 2014-12-23 20:46:17 UTC
I find it a bit strange that occasionally a BPO will allow a 33-day research time on multi-level jobs.

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Otin Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#5 - 2014-12-24 16:52:30 UTC
SJ Astralana wrote:
I find it a bit strange that occasionally a BPO will allow a 33-day research time on multi-level jobs.


You may not have considered the Icelandic 30 day conversion factor that averages out to 33
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2014-12-25 09:13:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
It isn't uncommon for new industrialists to be confused by research levels.

You don't research to level X, rather you research +X levels.

Also you can always research +1 level regardless of how long it is.

So you can always research to 10 in ten small steps: +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 =10

Same applies to all industry jobs: you can always do at least one research level / copy / invention run / production run / etc.

Otin Bison wrote:
SJ Astralana wrote:
I find it a bit strange that occasionally a BPO will allow a 33-day research time on multi-level jobs.

You may not have considered the Icelandic 30 day conversion factor that averages out to 33

I've not checked recently (i.e. this may have changed), but it was possible to go over 30 days if the last level began before the 30 day mark (only the start date is checked, not the finish).

Example, 5 runs on a 7 day job: 0-7th, 7th-14th, 14th-21st, 21st-28th, 28th-35th.
Morgan Johnstone
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-12-30 22:42:31 UTC
Thank You!

Morgan Johnstone

Disabled Players Union
Velicitia
XS Tech
#8 - 2014-12-31 02:15:54 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
search level / copy / invention run / production run / etc.

Otin Bison wrote:
SJ Astralana wrote:
I find it a bit strange that occasionally a BPO will allow a 33-day research time on multi-level jobs.

You may not have considered the Icelandic 30 day conversion factor that averages out to 33

I've not checked recently (i.e. this may have changed), but it was possible to go over 30 days if the last level began before the 30 day mark (only the start date is checked, not the finish).

Example, 5 runs on a 7 day job: 0-7th, 7th-14th, 14th-21st, 21st-28th, 28th-35th.



^^ This.

Each new job is calculated at the start (and not the end). So, provided that the job (n-1) finished on 29 days, 23 hour, 59 minutes (or less), you can always install that 'nth' job.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
SJ Astralana
Syncore
#9 - 2014-12-31 04:44:49 UTC
Velicitia wrote:

Each new job is calculated at the start (and not the end). So, provided that the job (n-1) finished on 29 days, 23 hour, 59 minutes (or less), you can always install that 'nth' job.


Doesn't appear to be true. TE on an SBU from 0 to 7 finishes in 28 days, and I'm not allowed to run it to 8 which would take 46. Meanwhile a Capital Capacitor Control Circuit at TE8 can be researched to 10 even though it takes 31 days, and which takes 9 days to research to 9.

The only consistency I've found is that at under 33 days you can bump that last level. It's not definitive, but I've never seen above 33 days allowed.

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Kriatta D'Lor
The Sentient Milieu
#10 - 2015-02-02 17:16:11 UTC
It seems lame, but I actually really appreciate this feature. It's for people like me that would make a careless error and end up considering whether I'm going to abandon progress to get the BPO out of research mode. For people that wouldn't make this kind of mistake - yeah it would be annoying.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#11 - 2015-02-02 18:46:39 UTC
SJ Astralana wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Each new job is calculated at the start (and not the end). So, provided that the job (n-1) finished on 29 days, 23 hour, 59 minutes (or less), you can always install that 'nth' job.

Doesn't appear to be true. TE on an SBU from 0 to 7 finishes in 28 days, and I'm not allowed to run it to 8 which would take 46. Meanwhile a Capital Capacitor Control Circuit at TE8 can be researched to 10 even though it takes 31 days, and which takes 9 days to research to 9.

The only consistency I've found is that at under 33 days you can bump that last level. It's not definitive, but I've never seen above 33 days allowed.

Probably changed then. I rarely need to go over the 30 days.

My longest job to date was about 10 months (and 3.5 billion ISK) to take a Rorqual from ME9 to ME10, just because my OCD demanded it.
yarasta Armer
Puffheads almost anonymous
#12 - 2015-04-07 18:10:02 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
My longest job to date was about 10 months (and 3.5 billion ISK) to take a Rorqual from ME9 to ME10, just because my OCD demanded it.

OCD demands much from an eve pilot.

I think we're all ASD
Eric Raeder
No Fee Too High
#13 - 2015-04-09 08:32:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Eric Raeder
The thirty day limit seems pretty pointless post-Crius. It made sense when NPC station research slots were limited in number, as it reduced the amount of time a single character could tie up the slot. But now that there is no slot limit it just seems like pointless complexity, an obsolete mechanic CCP should do away with.

I suppose you could argue it keeps people from accidentally starting a much longer job than they intend. But if that's the intention there should just be a pop-up "do you really want to do that" message with a yes/no option, not an absolute prohibition.
Elvandari
Valheru industries
#14 - 2015-04-09 10:42:26 UTC
Eric Raeder wrote:
The thirty day limit seems pretty pointless post-Crius. It made sense when NPC station research slots were limited in number, as it reduced the amount of time a single character could tie up the slot. But now that there is no slot limit it just seems like pointless complexity, an obsolete mechanic CCP should do away with.

I suppose you could argue it keeps people from accidentally starting a much longer job than they intend. But if that's the intention there should just be a pop-up "do you really want to do that" message with a yes/no option, not an absolute prohibition.


it actually has some sense...it prevents you from getting some trial alt setting up lets say 3 months log jobs and then happily not pay subscription untill its completed...then activate hours for plex contract it to main and to the same thing again and again
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#15 - 2015-04-09 11:12:57 UTC
Elvandari wrote:

it actually has some sense...it prevents you from getting some trial alt setting up lets say 3 months log jobs and then happily not pay subscription untill its completed...then activate hours for plex contract it to main and to the same thing again and again


Bingo