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Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#81 - 2015-06-19 00:07:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Iroquoiss Pliskin
In conjunction with the overview icon overhaul, things are looking rather bleak.

Peter Abbot wrote:
I know this is a terribly old topic at this point but here goes:

I only just returned to EVE after a long absence and found that the user interface had been SABOTAGED! The old color icons made everything quick and easy to find. Since I've started playing EVE again, I find that every time I log in I find myself searching for icons that used to be familiar and easy to find. Now they are monochrome and counter-intuitive. It causes delays and frustration just to do the simplest things - like find the "fitting" button to re-fit a ship!

In my humble opinion, this effort to "modernize" the UI is actually a step BACKWARDS. It hearkens back to the old-fashioned monochrome video games of the 1980's! Or early "smart" phone or Palm-Pilot (remember those?) interfaces.

This should have been an option, something you could switch off at the options menu. Not something to force everyone to "get used to." If this isn't dealt with soon I may just let me membership lapse again. The learning curve for this game was steep enough. Now that I'm an experienced player CCP throws everyone a curve ball and makes things difficult to read. AND CALLS IT A FEATURE! As far as I'm concerned, this whole "new UI" strategy is an "A" bug and needs to be fixed as soon as possible.


Amen, brutha.

I understand what they were trying to achieve, but the internal parts of the icons could still be colour-coded, adding much-needed contrast, while leaving the background area transparent to match the UI.

I may do some MS Paint handywork - later. ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#82 - 2015-06-19 15:54:30 UTC
The game is so washed out, I am starting to expect our profile icons to be made into black and white pictures.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

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Strykr X
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2015-06-21 18:54:42 UTC
Positively hate the new neocom icons, for the reasons previously described...gray, dull, indistinct, etc.

And with the release of the new overview icons, it's now quite apparent the UI team does not understand proper function and utility of color or resolution limits.

Best solution: Change of management in CCP's UI development team.
Practical solution: allow custom icon sets for the neocom and overview.

I cannot imagine why there would be resistance at CCP to allowing custom icons, considering this is such a tiny aspect of the overall game that impacts player satisfaction so deeply. It's not like a static image 16 pixels wide or whatever would pose any legitimate security or financial risk, it's not a macro, just a flat image.

There was a dev post awhile ago about how they didn't want things to look like Apple would have designed it (paraphrasing). But a lot of Apple's success in that respect is due to the attention it pays to visually conveying instantly what the purpose of an icon is. And that requires an array of colors beyond 50 shades of gray.

I have felt over the past year that almost all CCP's changes to EVE were in the right direction, except for everything the UI team has done. Neocom icons, and now overview icons...there is a clear disconnect between what the UI team wants to do, and the vision of the rest of CCP.

The UI team needs a management change. They are clearly harming the rest of the game. The rest of CCP, keep up the good work!
Jenshae Chiroptera
#84 - 2015-06-21 19:27:08 UTC
Strykr X wrote:
... I cannot imagine why there would be resistance at CCP to allowing custom icons,...
Phallic icons on fraps videos.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#85 - 2015-06-21 21:42:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Iroquoiss Pliskin
I agree with Strykr in that the following has no rational explanation - http://i.imgur.com/04VVcpJ.png

I don't understand. Sad

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Peter Abbot
Super Grover 2.0
#86 - 2015-06-23 16:52:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Peter Abbot
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
I agree with Strykr in that the following has no rational explanation - http://i.imgur.com/04VVcpJ.png

I don't understand. Sad


TRUTH! I don't understand either. It's like the new "modern" UI icons in some flavors of Android (e.g. HTC's newest launcher "upgrade.") This whole "retro" movement has to be stopped before it's too late!

"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere"
Jenshae Chiroptera
#87 - 2015-06-23 18:16:50 UTC
CCP seems to be a horse with the bit between their teeth and all the beating just keeps making them go faster through the thorn trees.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#88 - 2015-07-06 09:19:25 UTC
Peter Abbot wrote:
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
I agree with Strykr in that the following has no rational explanation - http://i.imgur.com/04VVcpJ.png

I don't understand. Sad


TRUTH! I don't understand either. It's like the new "modern" UI icons in some flavors of Android (e.g. HTC's newest launcher "upgrade.") This whole "retro" movement has to be stopped before it's too late!


I think there's a great disconnect, since modules are all colourful and beautiful. Smile

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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#89 - 2015-07-06 12:16:00 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

Star Citizen full release date is drawing closer.

No its not. You will see.

AKA the scientist.

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Well fun is also good.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2015-07-06 17:28:08 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
No its not. You will see.

It'll get released for sure, though that's not to say it'll be finished.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2015-07-06 17:49:24 UTC
As was pointed out to CCP many times during the roll-out of the new icon set, colour memory is much faster than shape memory.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2015-07-06 18:02:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
As was pointed out to CCP many times during the roll-out of the new icon set, colour memory is much faster than shape memory.

To the point that while waiting for my brain to catch up and help me figure out which icon is the journal icon:

  • I remembered what the journal used to look like
  • I attempted to reconcile the old journal icon with anything that was currently on the neocom, and resulted in failure
  • I contemplated running the cursor through the whole list to find the icon via the text that pops up
  • I remembered approximately where in the list I expected the journal icon to be
  • I determined one icon to possibly be it, but was unable to be sure, so I moused over it, it was the notepad


It took me over ten seconds to find the journal, and it's not as though I am unfamiliar with its icon. I have used the journal quite a few times since the new icons were released.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2015-07-06 18:18:49 UTC
I always struggle to find the market icon. Always.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#94 - 2015-07-06 22:00:18 UTC
I tried re-arranging the order of my icons to split the similar shapes away from each other.
Now I am even more dependant on short cut keys.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2015-07-07 02:32:23 UTC
More Color = More Eye Candy

More Eye Candy = More Content

More Content = More Players




DMC

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#96 - 2015-07-07 02:34:04 UTC
+1 (browser won't display the Like buttons)

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#97 - 2015-07-07 04:17:46 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I always struggle to find the market icon. Always.


The financial chart looks good, but some contrast in the form of contrasting colour is in order. Likewise for the -Z- ISK symbol.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2015-07-07 05:31:20 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
+1 (browser won't display the Like buttons)

You have to find the like button entry in your adblock list and remove it, apparently adblock plus blocks the like button sometimes.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#99 - 2015-07-07 06:32:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Sobaan Tali
Part of the problem, for me anyways, is how virtually impossible it is to see anything UI related with certain nebulous backgrounds. Some of the UI (as in nearly all of it actually) could really use some kind of text shadow/plain background fitted behind it's various elements or, if it already has that, made less transparent.

An example is how appallingly easy for the top left info panel (the one with system information, agent tracking, waypoint list, etc.) to literally disappear or how hard it is to make out bright green module timers unless I'm looking at a dark portion of Eve's nebulae. I have tried to mess around with both my monitors' picture/color settings to no avail. The UI is still really hard to make out sometimes.

Edit: And, for the love of Talos, can we please separate window transparency from window pinning. I can either keep windows locked in place or be able to read them even if something's behind them, but not really both.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Jenshae Chiroptera
#100 - 2015-07-07 10:25:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
+1 (browser won't display the Like buttons)

You have to find the like button entry in your adblock list and remove it, apparently adblock plus blocks the like button sometimes.
I only get the option to block it.
Sobaan Tali wrote:
Part of the problem, for me anyways, is how virtually impossible it is to see anything UI related with certain nebulous backgrounds. ....
I had a similar problem. Found that by turning off the blur option and then adjusting transparency that I could counter most of this.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.