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The importance of interaction with Corporations and the NPE
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Anslo
Scope Works
#21 - 2014-12-22 16:15:17 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Invisusira wrote:
It can also take next to zero effort to have fun with.


I disagree with your statement. It sounds exactly like someone who claims 1 billion ISK an hour from some activity and then you find out they didn't factor in time spent warping between systems, and how irregular the income is, and many other factors.

EVE is not an insignificant commitment in time. It's not like working on your Masters Thesis, but it's not like playing a round or two of Angry Birds either.


Spectre Fleets and any other NPSI fleet.

/me drops the mic

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#22 - 2014-12-22 16:16:22 UTC
Invisusira wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ok well when you are mentally old enough to reply in a civil and adult manner, Ill still be here.

Man you are just all about the blatant and completely un-subtle insults, aren't you? Civil indeed.

I am addressing your concerns while responding to you in exactly the way you are responding to me.


I don't believe I said any of the things that you placed in quotations or suggested was my opinion.

So, no, I don't believe you are here to actually entertain an opposing view to your position, which means that you have no interest in a debate, otherwise you would do more than simply make inaccurate statements regarding my interest in equine genetalia.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Anslo
Scope Works
#23 - 2014-12-22 16:17:44 UTC
See, **** like the above, this black and white bullshit, helps nothing.

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Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#24 - 2014-12-22 16:19:07 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Invisusira wrote:
It can also take next to zero effort to have fun with.


I disagree with your statement. It sounds exactly like someone who claims 1 billion ISK an hour from some activity and then you find out they didn't factor in time spent warping between systems, and how irregular the income is, and many other factors.

EVE is not an insignificant commitment in time. It's not like working on your Masters Thesis, but it's not like playing a round or two of Angry Birds either.


I log in.

I hop in the frigate I've got sitting in my hanger.

I undock and go fly some FW, some L2s, or perhaps just roam around.

I die and get podded back home, or I return home scathed.

This is a relatively insignificant amount of time - or perhaps it's me playing into the wee hours of the morning. Either way, it is all completely dictated by myself, and requires little effort beyond simply "playing the game."

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-12-22 16:19:17 UTC
Anslo wrote:

Spectre Fleets and any other NPSI fleet.

/me drops the mic


Hey! You dropped your mic..

*runs after kohai*

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Anslo
Scope Works
#26 - 2014-12-22 16:19:39 UTC
NO I DROPPED THE MIC DONT MAKE ME PICK IT UP

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Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#27 - 2014-12-22 16:20:17 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Invisusira wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ok well when you are mentally old enough to reply in a civil and adult manner, Ill still be here.

Man you are just all about the blatant and completely un-subtle insults, aren't you? Civil indeed.

I am addressing your concerns while responding to you in exactly the way you are responding to me.


I don't believe I said any of the things that you placed in quotations or suggested was my opinion.

So, no, I don't believe you are here to actually entertain an opposing view to your position, which means that you have no interest in a debate, otherwise you would do more than simply make inaccurate statements regarding my interest in equine genetalia.

okay

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Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#28 - 2014-12-22 16:20:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Project
Just realised your corp.

Get lost.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#29 - 2014-12-22 16:22:17 UTC
Sorry, but wrong. Center for Advanced studies is living proof that NPC Rookie Corps are content factories. If you don't believe me, go to PF- in Syndicate and see for yourself. Go check the Alliance Tournaments. See for yourself.

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Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#30 - 2014-12-22 16:24:38 UTC
mmm pf-

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#31 - 2014-12-22 16:29:44 UTC
OOhh wait I see what you are saying.

Eve is dying.

Gotcha.

k

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#32 - 2014-12-22 16:33:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Invisusira
Ramona McCandless wrote:
OOhh wait I see what you are saying.

Eve is dying.

Gotcha.

k

Please go back and re-read my original post.

If you see something in said post which you would like to discuss or debate, please post a reply.


I love trolling, elitism, and poking at people to get them riled up more than most, but you've picked the wrong topic to do that in, friend.

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John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#33 - 2014-12-22 16:35:41 UTC
Going to a rookie system and helping newbros is something everyone should try to do. It's good for the game.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#34 - 2014-12-22 16:46:27 UTC
Invisusira wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
OOhh wait I see what you are saying.

Eve is dying.

Gotcha.

k

Please go back and re-read my original post.

If you have something which you would like to discuss or debate about it, please post a reply.

I love trolling, elitism, and poking at people to get them riled up more than most, but you're picked the wrong topic to do that in, friend.


None of which is either what Ive been getting at or my intention.

Im sorry if you find my tone caustic and I apologise if you misconstrued my comments as some kind of interest in small horses.

I accept we have entirely different views on this subject.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#35 - 2014-12-22 17:02:08 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
None of which is either what Ive been getting at or my intention.

Im sorry if you find my tone caustic and I apologise if you misconstrued my comments as some kind of interest in small horses.

I accept we have entirely different views on this subject.

Alright, let's recap.

Your initial reply was "who cares what the perception of EVE Online is?"

My response to that was, "I'm not sure if you're being serious, but perception is absolutely key to this or any new player experience."

You followed up with "If you're not X brave enough or Y smart enough, I don't want you in my game anyway."

My response was, "that's a pretty poor attitude towards new players; what I'm talking about here is providing them with a better understanding of the game at hand so they can make informed decisions."

Every single other post of yours has been a poorly veiled insult with the intent of putting me on the defensive.

If you would like to continue our actual discussion, I am more than happy to.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#36 - 2014-12-22 17:23:48 UTC
Nope.

Youve made it clear how you feel. Anything further said would simply be thrashing pointlessly in your net.

Well played worthy adversary.

My you continue to have no mercy on those you consider your foes.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#37 - 2014-12-22 17:27:42 UTC
this must be tumblr because I literally can not even

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#38 - 2014-12-22 17:32:54 UTC
You won. I yield.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#39 - 2014-12-22 17:35:42 UTC
Invisusira wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Invisusira wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Uh... who cares what people perceive it to be?


http://i.imgur.com/1U594vK.png


That's cute, but what relevance does it have to the rest of my point?

"Are you really that naive to think that public perception of EVE Online is totally and completely irrelevant?"

as hip and cool as it may sound to be like "YEAH **** THOSE GUYS WE DIDNT WANT EM ANYWAY WE EAT WHAT WE LIKE APPLE JACKS *****" ...

Like, I get it. There's a certain high you get from being superior to others. But when introducing new potential players to a game, the attitude should be "hopefully they'll get into this too and then we'll have even MORE people to play with and against," not "psh if they're not patient enough to navigate through ****** UIs and poorly explained concepts, they're not good enough to play with me anyway!"



They aren't good enough to play with us. EVE is much easier than when many of us started, if they can't figure out this kinder, gentler EVE, what good are they as competitors or new bros?

One of the best aspects of EVE is that it chases away the kinds of Faint hearted 'gamers' who aren't really interested in a game (aka a challenge full of obstacles to be overcome) but who instead want and hand-jobesque ego boosting session of "you are a hero" that most modern video games deliver.

We aren't superior because we play a spaceship video game. We're superior (over the people you would coddle as if they are not adults responsible for their own enjoyment) because we came into a game about people where those people were not welcoming and we STILL kicked the door in and said "too bad, I'm up in here now". It's not our fault that some humans being are too squishy in the mind-parts to be able to survive a video game experience (where nothing real is at stake, unlike real life) without breaking.
Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#40 - 2014-12-22 17:37:10 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
You won. I yield.

Ah, but therein lies the fallacy of what you think my argument is, friend. Where you see these forums as something to be won or lost, I see them only as the grounds for improvement of our community and the game that unites us through thought, discussion, and searing, bitter flame wars.

The only victor or loser in this fight is our community as a whole.

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