Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Bear in mind that Local chat is a HUGE factor in null-sec. As soon as someone "not blue" appears in Local chat every non-PvP person will immediately begin to scurry away and hide.

Generally speaking (and from my own experience), once you enter a 0.0 system you have less than 10 to 20 seconds (if that) to find a target and pin it down before everyone notices you are in system and run. Of course... this is also assuming that you were not reported in every intel channel beforehand and/or the PvEers/Miners are not scrammed by an NPC.
PvP roamers have to get VERY lucky and/or encounter and very unaware target to score a good kill in 0.0.

In low-sec, this is less the case because there is almost always some kind of hostile in the system... so PvEers/Miners/Industrialists are a little more "desensitized" to possible risk.


Weeeellllll... that IS rather the point behind BLOP-Drops.

A group of Recons, SBs, and Black-Ops won't really stand up very well (see: they will be massacred) against a group of actual, organized PvP-ships.

Actually yes

PvE is in eve is by design meant to promote PvP either by earning isk to go out and do it or by putting you in space to be shot at.

that it gives something for people to do that don't wish to PvP at all is a side benefit


To be honest i feel a cov cyno should be light-able anyplace (outside of HS and FW plexs) if you see a cov ops fitted ship you should warp or assume he's got a fleet behind him however acc gates need to require de-cloak to activate

one thing i do hate is where you have no chance of knowing an enemy is coming like in WH asteroid belts

You want to set up the kill, you oughta work for it. Set up your "AFK" cloaky scanner for an hour or two while actually AFK. Pre-scan your target before bringing in the killer. actually do the OPERATIONS part of black ops. They're already an incredibly flexible and potentially effective tool, all you need to do is the basic leg work of making sure you have a target localized before you try to kill it.

So you are going to cry that it takes time to get a possible target. Not even really pointing out that a person in a DED site is setup to PVE and not PVP, so you're looking for an easy kill anyway and now you want to be able to hot drop the people in the site.

Let me guess. You're planning to make it fair while waiting for them to clear the rats before engaging them, right?

-1 for just the insanity of the idea.

Why bother with a black ops when a T3 with scanning subsystem can do the same....about the same price, less train time, less investment, aligns faster, warps faster, DPS + probe in one ship (with Mobile Depot). Hmm, weird, must require that instant escape tool with a cyno out since the probe ship is so much cheaper and easier to lose when used in conjunction with the BLOP assuming a third character is waiting where the BLOP jumped from.

I vote no, cause it makes things far easier for the OP at less risk to himself since obviously a PVE ship can fight a BLOP BS easily while using another tool (the probe ship) to get into the complex (since probe ships are so cheap and easy to lose should the cat screw the pooch ), lol active tank vs low skill passive buffer since it would never win.

Ok. Well if that is the case. Then why dont you go PVP in a PVE ship, or how bout in a mining barge. Just cause something can me done, doesnt mean it should and 99% of people in a DED site are going to be fit to work that site.

You can make all the excuses you want but this is just another idea meant to make it easy for PVP players to drop on PVE players.

No

when i ran it with friends





Ever heard of a battle skiff?



and yes that's exactly what it is.... no one is saying it's anything else

A blob has more dps, which you absolutly need. Expecialy since the introduction of the bastion module. You would need 1500dps give and/or take or some gimping e-war, to effectivly kill a maurauder in a plex before the NPC's are target switching and kill you. You think risk adverse... are you carebear? Defending your easy plexy income? I dont blame you or anything. It is kinda natural. I too like this idea because i feel fromout experiance that it is tooo safe. It is out of line.

By your resoning, i sence that you dont have alot of experiance dropping BLOPS or hunting targets. I have noticed that people also forget that when you have a hunter and a blob, and a target in 0.0 deadspace plex, you need to jump the blob in system first, before you can do anything with the hunter. Depending of the size of the system (jumping in on d-scan with the blob or not) you could be chanceless by start, if it is a small system. It is in the little things where this issue lies, and i get the idea, that most people that object this idea, havent been in the possition to learn or get knowlage about them.