Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It is effective vs players sure, but they only need 1 cycle to get away and if fight takes over 2 minutes that is probably going to happen.

Honestly, I ended up doing research and I saw that frigates had 6 locks, but didn't realize that T3's had 5. That was an oversight on my part. I just know that you don't see an ECM boat guaranteeing damps off a single module, and wanted to emulate that without it being broken.

Going off Mario Putzo, Omni with the ability to script towards one race like +20% Radar -20% to the others would work perfectly fine.

Im just tired looking at something like 100 modules for a single EWAR system that has more math than a physicists notebook. Every other system has, use this module to cause this negative status effect. The counter to reduced locks are the high-slot targeting systems that can take a utility high that people generally use for neuts and the like.

So if you changed Omni's to be scripted, to be able to be just as strong as a current racial jammers, I'd be fine with that as well.

Module bloat is the only thing I actually care about, and fixing this would go a long way to making the game better. I just tried to find a way to do so that wouldn't have impacted the type of EWAR in that big of a way.

ECM is fine in my opinion. I would maybe reduce the total ECM time but increase the amount of cycles - with a slight increase in Jam Strength. Thus allowing players to not be jammed out for a full duration as they are now - but allowing the pilot to possibly still keep them jammed with proper application.

ECCM could be tweaked a bit. But as far as I see it , rolling the dice on ECM is enjoyable to me. If I want exact results I will role a Celestis in Optimal.

TD, Damps, and Jams lower the ability of hostiles to apply damage to you.

The red-haired step-child race of Minmatar are the odd ones out. Both their E-War-ish systems (paint and webs) help friendly forces apply damage. I don't think that dedicated E-War is meant for solo PVP. On paper, a Minmatar boat really suffers from the inability to lower the opposition's DPS, and better damage application isn't high on their priority list unless they're shooting at smaller hulls.

I think that means a precedent for doing something different has been established by CCP. Instead of tweaking ECM, why not go balls-deep and make huge changes to it? Huge. Destructive. Meta-shifting changes.

A 100-page threadnought of tears level of change.

Or, if you're a sissy, just add this as a new E-War type and give it only give bonus to Caldari T2. The Amarrians have two bonuses; TD and Nos. The Gallente have two; Damps and Points. Minmatar as well; Paint and Webs. Caldari only have ECM, and according to some, that's still too much.



In response to ECM being royally un-fun in 1 vs 1, try this;

Change ECM to be Remote Target Spectrum Breakers. This is an idea I've seen on the forums before, don't credit me with it.

Race sensor flavours need to be kept here. Technically, you could move to scripts, but I really don't like that. Race considerations mean you need some creative tactics to make use of this. More accurately, this isn't a jam, it's just dropping of all current locks. Victims of RTSB are free to try again, or choose a different target. This keeps the pilot with a sense of being able to do something, while also acting as a force multiplier.

Thus ends the days of crying "because of Falcon" on the forum.

In 1 vs 1, ECM becomes 100% ineffective. RTSBs jam other people targeting your target, and don't jam your target at all. If you've been pointed, shining RTSBs on him (or her) won't break locks.

The RTSB needs to be shone on you! And you can't target yourself.

So... you need a Falcon alt to light you up like a Christmas tree and bail you out, but it's not 1 vs 1 anymore.




Here's where it gets creative;

How do you jam-out Logi? Pinging radio waves of logi hulls will only give you a weapons-timer.

No, you have to ping radio waves off who they're repping. Ironically, this is most likely going to be who your fleet has primaried too. So you're going to reduce your fleet's DPS at the same time as nerfing their logi.

This is where it gets really creative;

Jam-chance is dependent on what race jammer you use, and what race ship is doing said targeting.

If you have a Draaaaaek-Fleet (Caldari, for those who are too young to remember the HML glory days), and your opponent's logi are Basilisks, then you're in for an interesting fight. RTSB'ing a particular ship will do little at first. But when the Drakes yellow-box it, the chance to jam jumps up. A few of your fleet lose target. Then the Basilisks lock it up and throw reps. And the chance to jam goes up further.

We've now insulated the target in a quaint little bubble of gravimetric chaos. Nobody will be able to maintain locks on them. Not their logi, and not your DPS.

But all your Hobgoblin IIs, and their magnetometric sensors will be unaffected. As will that Tornado gang that has come to be an honourable third-party in the fight.

So what happens if the opposition had Scimmies instead of Bassies?

In the exact same situation, the Scimmies will largely ignore the wrong jams and rep just fine. Your fleet gets royally boned, and probably will primary you off the field instead. If you had Ladar jams, the Scimmies fail horribly and the Drakes laugh maniacally because they feel relevant once more.



Another situation: the enemy doesn't have any logi. Neither does your fleet. but you need to protect your fleet from DPS.

Throw your RTSBs on your own fleet. Insulate the primary from the hostile DPS with jams of the relevant flavour. Bringing mixed-drones in your fleet-comp is a beneficial tactic here as most of them will be minimally affected.



Another situation: you want to break a hostile Guardian spider-tank. Shine anti-Amarrian jams on them. You have a choice here;

1. focus all your anti-Amarrian jams on the primary to insulate them from reps,
2. spread jams to break their cap-chain.

The first will work best if your fleet doctrine isn't also Amarrian. If you are, then bring ECCM and break through your own jams. Judicious target selection will break their chains without breaking their reps. Let them cap themselves out, then blap away with impunity.



You're FC. People are using RTSB against you. Every target you call as primary barely scrapes their shields. All your fleet is busy re-locking the target while hostile reps are landing.

What do your do?

New fleet order is; spread DPS. Shoot anything that isn't in fleet. Yellow-box as many people as you can. Make their logi work hard, and their Falcons work harder. Remember, jam-chance is dependent on number of people targeting. Get the hostile reps - and more importantly, hostile jams - diluted over the entire hostile fleet.

Then, call a new primary and volley before they can react.



TL;DR.

1. RTSB doesn't remove ships from the fight, it removes races from the fight. If you derp, that will include your own.
2. ECCM and Remote-ECCM behave the same.
3. Choice of jam-type is still hugely important.
4. When you're pointed in 1 vs 1, you have to fight your way out.
5. Taking a shield fleet against an armour fleet gives you implicit ewar resistance against your own jams.

Reduce cycle time to 5s. Reduce cap usage accordingly. Do NOT force the targets to relock.

Voilla, fixed. You're welcome.



(I concede this is probably impossible due to it depending on not needing target reacquistiion)

Unless the ECM reduces that attribute down to zero, it's not going to have much use against line members or small gang/solo.

I suppose that itself could be a desirable feature...

The problem is very real, I don't know why it's so hard to see it. Sure, a tracking disruptor alters your chance to hit. But you, the pilot, still have control over it. A successful application of tracking disruptor does not prevent your guns from firing. It may not be possible for you to move fast enough to hit a given target, or you may not have time to react or accelerate, but many times you still can hit while tracking disrupted, and your skill as a pilot is a huge part of that. ECM is just a flat "the coin has decided that you are unable to shoot for a while".

The math is bad when it comes to tracking disruption, sensor dampening, and stasis webification. It is directly multiplicative, so a 60% reduction boosted by 50% becomes a 90% reduction. If you reverse the fraction, it reveals a 90% reduction to be 300% better than a 60% reduction. Even the tiny bonuses from info links on sensor damps are both not enough on an unskilled pilot is using meta 0 damps, and too much on a max-skilled pilot using T2 damps.