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AFK Coaking...Can we fix this?

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Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#21 - 2014-12-20 18:53:30 UTC
Gustaf Heleneto wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I went ahead and reported you for opening the single most redundant topic in the history of the game.


HMM...I wonder why it gets posted so much?



Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
A truly afk player cannot hurt you in literally any way. While someone who is not afk is hunting you legit.


You don't know if they are AFK. That's the problem. You have to assume they are actively looking to cyno/BLOPS some dudes in. So you have to maintain a higher level of risk control. A whole system is putting themselves at risk by operating while the one AFK cloaker has ZERO risk,

It's broken, no matter how you rationalize it.

I love PvP but this is not that. Honestly this is more broken than the old high sec neutral rep station games that CCP FIXED WITH LIMITED ENGAGEMENTS.

That's because of the place you are at.

It's NullSec. Lawless space.
Where you are at risk of being hotdropped.

This perceived issue never had anything to do with cloaking mechanics.

If he wasn't cloaked, you'd still not undock. You wouldn't know, though,
because you tail into the next station as soon as a non-blue shows up in system.


The only real issue is the fact that you do not undock,
because you are afraid of being attacked.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#22 - 2014-12-20 18:55:16 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Gustaf Heleneto wrote:

I didn't say cloaks are broken. Reading Comprehension PLEASE! AFK Cloaking is a broken mechanic and there needs to be COUNTERPLAY.[/b][/i]



There does not need to be counterplay for something that absolutely cannot hurt you. There does not need to be counterplay for a problem that only exists in your imagination.


If AFK cloaking can't hurt anyone then there is no reason to keep it right? I mean, if it has no impact on gameplay and makes a bunch of people unhappy, why should CCP keep it?

no one likes psychological warfare because its soo effective, it dose not need to harm you to be effective.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#23 - 2014-12-20 19:07:16 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Gustaf Heleneto wrote:

I didn't say cloaks are broken. Reading Comprehension PLEASE! AFK Cloaking is a broken mechanic and there needs to be COUNTERPLAY.[/b][/i]



There does not need to be counterplay for something that absolutely cannot hurt you. There does not need to be counterplay for a problem that only exists in your imagination.


If AFK cloaking can't hurt anyone then there is no reason to keep it right? I mean, if it has no impact on gameplay and makes a bunch of people unhappy, why should CCP keep it?

no one likes psychological warfare because its soo effective, it dose not need to harm you to be effective.



So are we saying that psychological warfare doesn't need counterplay because it can't harm you?

I propose a new structure: It adds a bunch of dummy pilots to local chat. None of them actually exist and they can't harm you, so it doesn't need any counterplay. You can't scan it down or damage it. It costs a 1b isk. Tons of people will buy so it will be an amazing isk sink with no negative impact on the game.

Reasonable right?
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#24 - 2014-12-20 19:07:42 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Gustaf Heleneto wrote:

I didn't say cloaks are broken. Reading Comprehension PLEASE! AFK Cloaking is a broken mechanic and there needs to be COUNTERPLAY.[/b][/i]



There does not need to be counterplay for something that absolutely cannot hurt you. There does not need to be counterplay for a problem that only exists in your imagination.


If AFK cloaking can't hurt anyone then there is no reason to keep it right? I mean, if it has no impact on gameplay and makes a bunch of people unhappy, why should CCP keep the mechanic?

There is no such mechanic as AFK cloaking

The only mechanic involved here is cloaking.
DankoShepard
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-12-20 19:10:09 UTC
Gustaf Heleneto wrote:
Seriously. When is CCP going to fix this dumbass broken mechanic?

...

Seriously, this **** is so broken. No counterplay to this at all and one pilot can shut down an entire system.

Thoughts?


Thoughts?... Ok... I think you are a coward and all the pussies that get scared from a guy that is AFK... grow a pair...
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#26 - 2014-12-20 19:11:44 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Gustaf Heleneto wrote:

I didn't say cloaks are broken. Reading Comprehension PLEASE! AFK Cloaking is a broken mechanic and there needs to be COUNTERPLAY.[/b][/i]



There does not need to be counterplay for something that absolutely cannot hurt you. There does not need to be counterplay for a problem that only exists in your imagination.


If AFK cloaking can't hurt anyone then there is no reason to keep it right? I mean, if it has no impact on gameplay and makes a bunch of people unhappy, why should CCP keep the mechanic?


The question to ask is "why does something that cannot possibly hurt you make so many people unhappy?"

It's because they want uncertainty taken away. And that's about as big of a "too bad" as I can give.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#27 - 2014-12-20 19:14:17 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:

So are we saying that psychological warfare doesn't need counterplay because it can't harm you?


Yes.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the mechanic. People's reaction to how it is used is entirely their problem, and does not reflect on the balance of the mechanic itself in any way.

Their feels are their problem.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#28 - 2014-12-20 19:21:06 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:


So are we saying that psychological warfare doesn't need counterplay because it can't harm you?

Yes.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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DankoShepard
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2014-12-20 19:23:30 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Their feels are their problem.


Fear is a powerful feeling, and they have tons of it...
Sugar Smacks
Khanid Royal Navy
#30 - 2014-12-20 19:24:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Sugar Smacks
Just another fine example of people who wont go out in Nullsec without monitoring local chat constantly.

How pathetic Null is to be able to monitor every person who steps in to the system as if having 100s of pilots able to monitor a system isn't bad enough. You absolutely have to know with 100 percent certainty if someone steps into the system.
Is it really any harder than Hi sec? I mean really it sounds about as carebear.

As if 1 name in local chat is that devastating, its obvious what needs to be changed here.

Just think removing or at least limiting local chat in Null will end this discussion forever, and how we would all like that.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-12-20 19:37:40 UTC
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d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-12-20 19:43:50 UTC
AFK cloaking has been in the game... for a very long time.

It's just part of the game now... Roll

Been around since the beginning.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2014-12-20 19:45:28 UTC
I have this dream of parking an alt in a cloaked phoenix in an enemies ratting system. It does nothing for days at a time but every so often it comes out of hiding, blaps some hapless ratter and then returns to its slumber.
Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2014-12-20 19:53:54 UTC
d0cTeR9 wrote:
AFK cloaking has been in the game... for a very long time.

It's just part of the game now... Roll


And that is just sad.

I agree with the OP, it's about time CCP rework the cloak mechanic. Its a dated system that does not belong where EVE online is heading.

The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2014-12-20 19:57:22 UTC
Lucien Visteen wrote:
d0cTeR9 wrote:
AFK cloaking has been in the game... for a very long time.

It's just part of the game now... Roll


And that is just sad.

I agree with the OP, it's about time CCP rework the cloak mechanic. Its a dated system that does not belong where EVE online is heading.


AFK cloaking is the counter to the instant intel tool that is local chat.
Sacu Shi
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2014-12-20 20:02:57 UTC
Every activity in eve involves risk, whether it be an isk risk, or a risk to ships / pods.

EXCEPT sitting in a system cloaked.

If only for the sake of maintaining continuity there needs to be a counter to this, whether it be a cloak requiring some sort of fuel, scannable using a skill it takes years to train or one of the many other ways people have proposed over the years.

But if in doubt, rat next door, dock up and play on an alt, or do some research on the pilot and corp camping and go do the same to their indy corp space.

Just my 2c
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#37 - 2014-12-20 20:06:01 UTC
Sacu Shi wrote:
Every activity in eve involves risk, whether it be an isk risk, or a risk to ships / pods.

EXCEPT sitting in a system cloaked.

If only for the sake of maintaining continuity there needs to be a counter to this, whether it be a cloak requiring some sort of fuel, scannable using a skill it takes years to train or one of the many other ways people have proposed over the years.

But if in doubt, rat next door, dock up and play on an alt, or do some research on the pilot and corp camping and go do the same to their indy corp space.

Just my 2c


Cloaks can't be detected because they cannot do anything. When they can shoot while staying cloaked, then we can talk about "counters", but until then you'll have to live with their built in drawbacks.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#38 - 2014-12-20 20:10:33 UTC
This topic....again??ShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked, I mean come on now, AFK cloaking is NOT a broken mechanic and is considered a part of game play. You can always find another system to go to and not deal with it. as somebody pointed out that it may be a cyno/blops ship waiting for orders.
Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2014-12-20 20:10:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Lucien Visteen wrote:
d0cTeR9 wrote:
AFK cloaking has been in the game... for a very long time.

It's just part of the game now... Roll


And that is just sad.

I agree with the OP, it's about time CCP rework the cloak mechanic. Its a dated system that does not belong where EVE online is heading.


AFK cloaking is the counter to the instant intel tool that is local chat.


Yes yes, If all else fail throw in the Local chat trumph card. I do believe I have heard every counterargument that has been thought up by now. But CCP have said that they want to change the status quo. The status quo will remain largely unaffected as long as that systems remains unthouched.

And, coincidentially, local chat is also a dated system, that does not belong where EVE online is heading.

The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.
Sacu Shi
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2014-12-20 20:15:28 UTC
OP, why not just dock your blingy ratting ship when the cloaker comes into the system as you normally do, and then come out ready for a fight in a 'ceptor or cheap ass frig? And go looking for him? Granted you may not find him, but he may call friends in and you will have a fun fight on your hands.

You will gain some respect from the camper and his buddies and you will be generating content for yourself and others. You could even gatecamp your ratting system with alts and kill him when he tries to warp from the gate to his safe spot.

Loads of things to do to counter a cloaker. Gotta take some risks to have some fun.
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