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low sec ore needs a huge buff
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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-12-19 11:33:23 UTC
no one does crap in low sec, there needs to be more reason to do it.

probe sites are good if you can find them, with this recon thing, its going to murder low sec.

make low sec profitable as it is dangerous!!!

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-12-19 11:35:20 UTC
make those rocks enticing!!!!

no one there, there needs to be reasons for high sec folk to venture out there.

fw was a nice idea, but realistically its not easy and people need an incentive.

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Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#3 - 2014-12-19 11:36:28 UTC
it's only dangerous if someone comes to shoot you and that only happens if you're at a belt/gate/station/planet/anything that's warpable and people will never mine in low sec no matter what you do to it they'll always be ganked before they can get enough ore to make up for the cost of the ship.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-12-19 11:45:19 UTC
if you make those rocks very very profitable people WILL come

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HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#5 - 2014-12-19 11:48:04 UTC
If you make those rocks very profitable null will mine them and low won't. I say this both as a low miner and a hunter of low miners.
Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#6 - 2014-12-19 11:50:06 UTC
it'd have to be in the millions per cycle of the mining lasers but they'd probably get blown up on the way to the rocks leaving high sec... are you just after killing more miners now that you've got no more minmatar to kill?
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#7 - 2014-12-19 13:35:11 UTC
Whatever feeble pulse low sec mining had will be snuffed out by the recon d-scan immunity. You'll be docking every time local changes. Although mining in a D-scan immune recon may be the way to go.

(Pro tip - dive a wh and mine there. ABC ores and a lower chance of getting ganked - you'll pay for your ship and pod many times over compared to getting ganked losses)
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2014-12-19 13:35:17 UTC
This topic screams "I want more easy kills" because the game's population has forgotten how to fight opponents that fight back. There's already a lot of incentives in Low sec, just the kill focused behavior instead of cooperation focused behavior keeps potentially interested people out of there.

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Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2014-12-19 14:11:48 UTC
Safer to mine in lowsec than hisec

literally dozens of deserted systems in Amarr space
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#10 - 2014-12-19 14:16:03 UTC
Honestly I don't believe you could buff ore in low high enough while still being realistic about it. If you increase the potential profitability enough where miners want to mine there, you also increase risk by motivating ppl to steal their wealth.

IMO if you want ppl out there, the risk needs lowered.

Stick to fighting ships that will fight u back
Master Sergeant MacRobert
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#11 - 2014-12-19 15:01:27 UTC
What I would like to see considered is a combat / mining hybrid ship.

One that can at least tank and tackle (despite being slower) so backup can come finish off the enemy.

Although I have seen the odd fella trying to PVP in mining barges so maybe the last buff was supposed to be just this.

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HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#12 - 2014-12-19 15:06:39 UTC
Master Sergeant MacRobert wrote:
One that can at least tank and tackle (despite being slower) so backup can come finish off the enemy.

Pre-buff procurers killed bombers, post buff they can kill cruisers.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-12-19 15:07:09 UTC
Master Sergeant MacRobert wrote:
What I would like to see considered is a combat / mining hybrid ship.

One that can at least tank and tackle (despite being slower) so backup can come finish off the enemy.

Although I have seen the odd fella trying to PVP in mining barges so maybe the last buff was supposed to be just this.
A tank-fit skiff is pretty sturdy already.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-01-02 13:18:37 UTC
Nobody mines in lowsec because the same ore is fairly abundant in highsec. To buff lowsec ore: remove lowsec ores from highsec, and nerf the nocxium output of pyroxeres.

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-01-02 13:26:49 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Nobody mines in lowsec because the same ore is fairly abundant in highsec. To buff lowsec ore: remove lowsec ores from highsec, and nerf the nocxium output of pyroxeres.


Moving more ore to losec would simply hand all mineral production to the largest groups who can control the area. No small group or solo player would ever get a look in.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#16 - 2015-01-02 14:01:51 UTC
Just join Test. Isn't that obvious??
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#17 - 2015-01-02 14:17:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Samillian
I don't believe buffing the ore in LowSec would make any difference.

Almost any miner willing to take the type of risks required to mine in LowSec can do a simple risk/benefit analysis which will tell them that joining a renter corp out in Null will make them far better ISK/hr for considerably less risk and effort.

That aside why the interest in getting miners into LowSec? While I can understand the desire for low hanging fruit would it not be more interesting and worthwhile to encourage targets that actually shoot back and are a challenge?

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#18 - 2015-01-02 14:42:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Serendipity Lost
I don't think the OP's incentive was to be able to gank exhumers. Check his kb. He's just looking to get more folks out into low sec.

I think space renting is becoming a thing of the past. There are quite a few folks that just quit paying. They closed there eyes and waited for the hammer to fall on them. Then they waited some more. And some more. My point? If you do decide to go to null, don't join a chump renter group. There are more and more real corps starting to carve out their own space. I can only imagine how the CEO who pays the last rent check will feel when he realises he's 'that guy'.

I think low sec is going to pick up in activity somewhat w/ the fatigue stuff settling in. (HOPEFULLY) CCP will realize the error of their ways in giving all the logistics ships reduced fatigue and wonk jump freighters just as hard as they did for combat capitals. Once this happens, the pipes will once again support both proper pirating and escorting of logistics fleets.

LS doesn't have a real purpose because all the good stuff gets cyno'd past it. How wonderful the game will be when risk averse pansy pants nullbears can't jump from the safety of HS to the safety of their cyno jammed home system via station docking rings.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-01-02 15:52:37 UTC
Remove barges, skills, and anything associated with production while seeding ships....problem solved. Who gives a rats ass about the most boring thing since Mine Sweeper while piloting the worst damn ship in the game that should purposely have its tank reduced to 100 hitpoints with zero fittings (all barges/exhumers) and a skill point loss similar to T3 (and twice the penalty as well) to teach them to not train for the stupid thing. Either suggestion solves the mining issue, worst thing in EVE and cannot believe how many stupid sheep cattle newbies first thing is to train for it.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#20 - 2015-01-02 17:19:10 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
no one does crap in low sec, there needs to be more reason to do it.

probe sites are good if you can find them, with this recon thing, its going to murder low sec.

make low sec profitable as it is dangerous!!!



From what you're saying it sounds like the quality of the ore isn't the problem, it's securing the miner.

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