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Counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec

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Apol Regyri
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-12-19 03:57:37 UTC
In order to counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec :

Background :
Highsec is invaded by a mafia group (Example : CODE alliance) who want to take control and imposing their laws and a Pizzo to the residents of this area.
Concord is the legitimate group that ensures the order and peace in this area.

Solution to counter this scourge :
Because some groups seek to crowd out Concord, give the possibility to Concord to declare wardec to corporations or alliances that are trying to take control of Highsec area.

In addition to stop the harassment that many players suffer in Highsec (and especially new players), this new feature will balance the gameplay by giving to Concord the opportunity to defend its territory.
Athryn Bellee
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2014-12-19 03:58:55 UTC
Why not just say extortion?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2014-12-19 04:16:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Apol Regyri wrote:
Highsec is invaded by a mafia group (Example : CODE alliance) who want to take control and imposing their laws and a Pizzo to the residents of this area.

And? This is well established gameplay that has been going on for years. You think CODE is bad? Talk with some of the market masters from 0.0 alliances. They have so much money that they can literally crash the markets on a whim... and profit from it.

Apol Regyri wrote:
Concord is the legitimate group that ensures the order and peace in this area.

No... CONCORD is not there to protect anyone. Their sole job is to make sure that open aggression comes at a cost... be it from War Declaration fees or ship loss (from suicide ganking).

Apol Regyri wrote:
Solution to counter this scourge :
Because some groups seek to crowd out Concord, give the possibility to Concord to declare wardec to corporations or alliances that are trying to take control of Highsec area.

Counter solution; declare war on these groups yourself and "enforce the peace" you believe high-sec to be so deserving of.

Hell... a lot of gankers are already below -5.0 security status. You can shoot then on sight if you want to without having to declare war at all.
And no... you will NOT become a "Suspect" if you do this. It will merely allow the person you are shooting to legally shoot back.

Apol Regyri wrote:
In addition to stop the harassment that many players suffer in Highsec (and especially new players), this new feature will balance the gameplay by giving to Concord the opportunity to defend its territory.

It is only "harassment" if...

- they single you out for a period of time (at least more than a day)
- despite your best efforts to avoid it (move one belt or system over is not "best effort")
- have nothing to gain from singling you out (if you are flying ships that can be profited from, you have no case)

And high-sec mechanically belongs to no one. It is merely a zone where the rules of aggression are stricter and often come with a cost.
Zephris
The Eldritch Circle
#4 - 2014-12-19 04:33:57 UTC
Apol Regyri wrote:
In order to counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec :

Background :
Highsec is invaded by a mafia group (Example : CODE alliance) who want to take control and imposing their laws and a Pizzo to the residents of this area.
Concord is the legitimate group that ensures the order and peace in this area.

Solution to counter this scourge :
Because some groups seek to crowd out Concord, give the possibility to Concord to declare wardec to corporations or alliances that are trying to take control of Highsec area.

In addition to stop the harassment that many players suffer in Highsec (and especially new players), this new feature will balance the gameplay by giving to Concord the opportunity to defend its territory.


Actually, having ANY empire declare war against any entities with low enough low enough average standing is a good idea.
Amarr empire, for instance should autodec any corp with -5 or less average standing to them.
Concord would be a special case, if you dec concord, or concord dec you, you become outlaws, and therefore:
- No maintenance fee for the alliances at war with concord
- No wardec fee against a corporation or alliance at war with concord
- ALL members are treated as outlaws and concord will not respond to them being attacked.
- Members that are not KOS in a system isn't automatically attacked by concord.
- Concord will salvage your wrecks and use them to buy donuts.
Lucius Arcturus
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#5 - 2014-12-19 04:34:52 UTC
Apol Regyri wrote:
In order to counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec :

Background :
Highsec is invaded by a mafia group (Example : CODE alliance) who want to take control and imposing their laws and a Pizzo to the residents of this area.


Sounds like content. Create some of your own and fight back (with spaceships I mean, not in the forums).
Zephris
The Eldritch Circle
#6 - 2014-12-19 04:37:56 UTC
Lucius Arcturus wrote:
Apol Regyri wrote:
In order to counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec :

Background :
Highsec is invaded by a mafia group (Example : CODE alliance) who want to take control and imposing their laws and a Pizzo to the residents of this area.


Sounds like content. Create some of your own and fight back (with spaceships I mean, not in the forums).


New players should be given the option to take it easy. Not that I don't mind them ALL joining Anti Gank, I have this pile of T1 frigate with ECM bursts ....
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#7 - 2014-12-19 04:47:57 UTC
Code is as much a legitimate group as concord.

counter them yourself.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2014-12-19 04:57:15 UTC
I do wonder what these highsec bears would do if BATs ever decide to interdict high sec again.
Zephris
The Eldritch Circle
#9 - 2014-12-19 05:12:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
I do wonder what these highsec bears would do if BATs ever decide to interdict high sec again.


Take a break in your backyard.
Some people just like highsec better, less bull**** politics, less sheeple.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-12-19 05:15:31 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Code is as much a legitimate group as concord.

counter them yourself.



or just invite them to a tournament in the system...it will be the last place in eve you will find them.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-12-19 06:47:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Zephris wrote:
Actually, having ANY empire declare war against any entities with low enough low enough average standing is a good idea.

Why would NPC meddling with player interaction be a good idea in any way? Empire standings are already silly as they are.

And on OP, I don't even...
So he basically asks CCP to moderate their game using NPCs as middlemen for some reason. Could as well go ahead and ask them to ban CODE. players, uhm, for reasons.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#12 - 2014-12-19 07:32:32 UTC
Apol Regyri wrote:
In order to counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec :
Concord is the legitimate group that ensures the order and peace in this area.


Concord is simply there to make sure that pod pilots cause severe casualties or property damage in their conflicts. they don't give a damn about peace and order that is the faction police's job.

[quote=Apol Regyri]
In addition to stop the harassment that many players suffer in Highsec.[quote]

if some one is harassing you or another player report them it is against the EULA (but make sure it is actually harassment first)
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#13 - 2014-12-19 08:44:59 UTC
set concord timers to response time 1second , so nobody will be gankable as concord will instapop u even in 0.5
Disert Ohmiras
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-12-19 09:39:36 UTC
Apol Regyri wrote:
In order to counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec :

Background :
Highsec is invaded by a mafia group (Example : CODE alliance) who want to take control and imposing their laws and a Pizzo to the residents of this area.
Concord is the legitimate group that ensures the order and peace in this area.

Solution to counter this scourge :
Because some groups seek to crowd out Concord, give the possibility to Concord to declare wardec to corporations or alliances that are trying to take control of Highsec area.

In addition to stop the harassment that many players suffer in Highsec (and especially new players), this new feature will balance the gameplay by giving to Concord the opportunity to defend its territory.



If you don´t wanna them in highsec get them your by yourself. And don´t ask for GM/NPC Protection.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2014-12-19 09:50:39 UTC
sorry guys, but who is CODE and what do they do?

TIL the word pizzo. if that's in fact something CODE does, they're going about it all wrong and should just scam.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#16 - 2014-12-19 10:15:11 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Code is as much a legitimate group as concord.

counter them yourself.



or just invite them to a tournament in the system...it will be the last place in eve you will find them.


Only if you ban catalysts and taloses.

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-12-19 10:31:33 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
I do wonder what these highsec bears would do if BATs ever decide to interdict high sec again.



The same as last time.. ignore it because the impact was minimal, the coverage was poor and limited to very specific zones.

A very very lousy work of interdiction that didn't reach a fraction of what high sec war dec groups already do, except by the surprise of a new element that was not expected by some large part of the population (That therefore was not scouting for these)

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Bear Works
#18 - 2014-12-19 13:12:42 UTC
Oh look, this thread again. Obvious troll is obvious.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#19 - 2014-12-19 13:28:24 UTC
Apol Regyri wrote:
Solution to counter this scourge :
Because some groups seek to crowd out Concord, give the possibility to Concord to declare wardec to corporations or alliances that are trying to take control of Highsec area.

In addition to stop the harassment that many players suffer in Highsec (and especially new players), this new feature will balance the gameplay by giving to Concord the opportunity to defend its territory.

I think CONCORD only has sovereignty over a few (one?) systems - most of highsec is ruled (on paper) by the the Empires. But I am more curious, what form would this wardec take? I mean the faction police from the Empires are already in a "wardec" with low security status players as their navies follow around and attack outlaw players at the first opportunity. What more would this NPC wardec do and how would the NPCs decide which corporations to go after?

Also, harassment is against the EULA. If you think you are actually being harassed, you can file a petition (press F12) and a GM will help you out. Eve though is a competitive sandbox MMORPG, so you should expect other players to be able to influence your game play. This in itself is not considered harassment.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-12-19 13:34:45 UTC
Zephris wrote:
Lucius Arcturus wrote:
Apol Regyri wrote:
In order to counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec :

Background :
Highsec is invaded by a mafia group (Example : CODE alliance) who want to take control and imposing their laws and a Pizzo to the residents of this area.


Sounds like content. Create some of your own and fight back (with spaceships I mean, not in the forums).


New players should be given the option to take it easy. Not that I don't mind them ALL joining Anti Gank, I have this pile of T1 frigate with ECM bursts ....

They do. They can fly something tanky and mine in peace.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein

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