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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#41 - 2014-12-17 09:34:48 UTC
Everything is hard

Everything is scary

Everything is massively unfair

Solo anything is even harder, scarier and unfair than all of the other ways

The trick is to make it hard, scary and unfair on your target

I get the impression the OP is looking for fair fights.

No such animal found on the EvE Database.

If you fly a Frigate against a Destroyer, you are doing it the wrong way around.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#42 - 2014-12-17 09:45:18 UTC
Whole point of existence of destroyers is to be hard counter to frigates. So when you are trying to learn fighting and it is frig vs dessie YOU should be in destroyer not in frigate. Sure, frigates kill destroyers. They also kill BS or caps. But they kill those things because their pilots do not learn anymore, they already know this stuff.

Baby steps is the key to pvp in Eve. You will faceplant a lot, you will lose a lot but at one point pieces of puzzle will fall into place and you will "get it".

Also you might want to simplify your fits at the beginning, fly more passive fits so you could focus on actual fight instead of having 20 things to take care of. Scram/web/ab in mids, plate/dc/(gyro/te) in lows, full gank highs and rigs to taste. This way you basically click point and web and start shooting and all you have to care about is range.

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Don Purple
Snuggle Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#43 - 2014-12-17 09:45:23 UTC
Cyndrogen wrote:
I learned today that I am not good at PVP. No, actually I'm terrible at it. I don't understand the mechanics, it's difficult to watch modules, distance to ship and overall the GUI is pretty difficult for a beginner pvp pilot. Did I launch drones? Is the ship in range? Did I overheat my module? Did I stop overheating? Too many variables to keep track and in too many places and it moves so fast I forget what I'm doing!

I even had a decent fit and I still can't take down a simple destroyer hull. I got close, but I didn't notice he flew outside my rocket range because I was watching the hull.... bleh. How do you do it? Congrats to those with the patience to learn this, I think I prefer shooters and aiming with a mouse.

PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets.


Oh you are just a treat :D

I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
Solj RichPopolous
F I G H T C L U B
H A R D L I N E R S
#44 - 2014-12-17 13:55:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Solj RichPopolous
Most will never grasp the concepts involved. And id be willing to be 99% of the posters on this thread are doormats. The thing about EVE is most people never really get good at it. They either get more numbers and blob you, or they use a cookie cutter fit that occasionally works. Once you figure out the game though its pretty easy, you just must aspire to do so and not fall into the cookie cutter trap. As it stands its IMPOSSIBLE for me to lose in a 1v1 fight with cruiser sized hulls and below. If anyone wants to challenge this I accept all comers and will have it FRAPSed and posted for all to see how easy people are in this game.

My only sport now is getting into fights that are usually 10 v 1.

The thing to take away from this is learn the game. Don't follow the same cookie cutter crap everyone tells you that you have to do because thats just what it is crap.

Also if you'd like to learn from the best we have a corp in our alliance for aspiring pvpers such as yourself, where you will be able to learn proper gameplay and tactics. Not just the run of the mill "im a PVP god" because i have x amount of logi or im in a blob mentality the rest seem to have.
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#45 - 2014-12-17 14:17:47 UTC
Believe this guy, he's actually knowing what he is talking about.

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flaming phantom
Unlimited LTD
#46 - 2014-12-17 14:20:22 UTC
It is definitely hard, I have also always struggled with solo pvp, but i'm getting better. There is just so much going on at once, especially with how fast frig fights can be, that I just can't pay attention to it.

Like others have suggested, I would highly recommend recording (Fraps is great) your fights. After the fight, review the video and try and see what you did wrong, and what you could have done better. Also learning what to engage in which ships is key. For example, I have a ship that i use tracking disruptors on and I don't engage missile ships with it because y advantage is nullified.

Try making a ship with a mwd, scram and web and then hunt down ships that you know are kiters. shouldn't be too hard to pop them since their tank is usually weak, and their long distance guns won't be so effective against you at close ranges.

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Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#47 - 2014-12-19 22:54:56 UTC
flaming phantom wrote:
It is definitely hard, I have also always struggled with solo pvp, but i'm getting better. There is just so much going on at once, especially with how fast frig fights can be, that I just can't pay attention to it.

Like others have suggested, I would highly recommend recording (Fraps is great) your fights. After the fight, review the video and try and see what you did wrong, and what you could have done better. Also learning what to engage in which ships is key. For example, I have a ship that i use tracking disruptors on and I don't engage missile ships with it because y advantage is nullified.

Try making a ship with a mwd, scram and web and then hunt down ships that you know are kiters. shouldn't be too hard to pop them since their tank is usually weak, and their long distance guns won't be so effective against you at close ranges.


how did the term kite get started?

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Mara Gus
Doomheim
#48 - 2014-12-19 22:56:29 UTC
is no pvp on eve is gang bang real
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#49 - 2014-12-20 00:47:08 UTC
Cyndrogen wrote:


how did the term kite get started?


Its from the 1964 American film Mary Poppins, more specifically the song "(Let's all fly) A Kite"; where in flying a kite is alluded to as being as much fun as neuting and pointing a Hulk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA-g8YYPKVo

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"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-12-20 01:37:37 UTC

I'm not good at EVE PVP either, but I was flying around with Sol once and he told me to zoom out. Learning to be situationally aware is my biggest challenge, and knowing where you are sitting and moving with respect to other ships in your vicinity is crucial.

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Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#51 - 2014-12-20 01:53:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Project
Cyndrogen wrote:
how did the term kite get started?
When you hold a flying kite into the wind ...
... and move towards or away from it ...
... then you're kiting. :)


Sibyyl wrote:

I'm not good at EVE PVP either, but I was flying around with Sol once and he told me to zoom out. Learning to be situationally aware is my biggest challenge, and knowing where you are sitting and moving with respect to other ships in your vicinity is crucial.

Awwww thanks for mentioning me! :D

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Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#52 - 2014-12-20 02:01:31 UTC
Literally everything in your post happens to every newbie.

Even the pros make mistakes they just make less.

Over time you get used to micromanaging everything.What i found useful for practice is doing my Pve in undertanked ships. SO you get used to keeping range, keeping up transversal, heating correctly etc.

The other way to do it is get a friend go onto SiSi and buy 100 ships and 1v1 each other.
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#53 - 2014-12-20 02:42:25 UTC
What I liked to do when I was learning to PvP all those years ago is to eliminate as much variables as possible during the fight. Yes, it was overwhelming for me as well for a good while, but I've learned in steps.

What do I mean by eliminating variables?

Well, if you want to forget about capacitor, fly ships that don't depend on capacitor (like passive tanked missile or projectile ships) and avoid fighting anything that can drain your capacitor and make you think about it.Smile

Buffer (passive) tanked ships are also eliminating the need to pay attention to tanking modules (shield boosters and armor repairers).

Range of your guns should be a decision made when you plan the fit and your potential targets. For each ship there are only really two basic ranges - short range and long range. Use one ship for a while to get used to its short and long ranges and it will stick in your memory.

If you feel that managing drones in a battle is too much information to process at once at a given point of time (I used to regularly forget to even use drones in battle on numerous occasions myself), pick ships that do not have drone bays or whose drones are just a secondary helpful, but not critical weapon.

Movement can be eliminated as something you should think about with picking the right target for your ship (and fit). For example, if you plan to be faster than your target, you are the one who owns the space and dictates movement. Increasing your relative speed to you opponent's ship can either be done by kiting and having more speed than your opponent, or by lowering opponent's speed with stasis webifiers, warp disruptors (since the shut down microwarp drives) or energy neutralizers (since the drain capacitor from opponent's ship so that he won't have enough capacitor to turn on an afterburner or a microwarpdrive)

I've learned like that.... By flying the simplest ship that I could think of (passive tanked Drake) for a good amount of time. Then I've introduced more variables when I felt that I have mastered the ones already present.

I hope this helps Smile
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2014-12-20 05:10:16 UTC
I've never understood the attitude some have to 1v1 pvp, thinking it's somehow pure or a reflection of skill.
Running a camp or a bash can require awareness of activity in a whole constellation, leading 20 pilots into a wormhole for some tourism/terrorism/pve is another whole game.
Solo pvp is mostly a lowsec thing for me, as much as possible i like it to be max dps vs a hauler. Endless frig-dessie-cruiser smackdown is only fun for a fortnight or so.
The most profitable, exciting and significant-to-the-map engagements are small gang and big fleet action in sov null. Anyone who scorns these as only for those who follow orders is a bit stuck up, or has the sort of temperament that can't find a place in a group.
The best solo pvper will never own a station, or a system or any territory.
Relevance is relevance.



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JMD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2014-12-20 07:37:33 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsvyjePPFRs

Just going to leave this here, I think it captures the general feeling of trying to calm down in pvp starting out.



As for me I like to pop into WHs scream "Everybody run! They are coming this way!" and then leave.

I think the biggest thing is just have fun, don't worry about kills/losses. Skill comes with time.

I've also heard it helps to buy your ship and fittings in bulk, 10 or 20 complete sets in a staging system so it cuts down on the time of getting everything set up. You can just throw it together quickly and get back out into the fight.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#56 - 2014-12-20 11:58:47 UTC
Hi OP

Another nice way to solo PvP in EVE is to gank stuff in Highsec. As always it is completely different than other forms of PvP and you have to know some different game mechanics like how CONCORD and Faction Police react to aggression and security status.

You can gank with only one character or with a gank character and a scout. This depends a bit on what you want to kill. I list you some sources for more information on this if you are interested. If not, just ignore my post.

General information about ganking and tactics used to work in Highsec as a -10 char:
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/blog-page.html

Tippas blog post on CONCORD response times:
http://blog.beyondreality.se/TTK-CONCORD

We also have a corp (New Order Logistics) dedicated to new and old players who are interested in ganking. There you can try out or learn the business from some of our best gankers and if you like it you can join the fun.

Evil RatKid
Tamazaki
Doomheim
#57 - 2014-12-20 12:09:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tamazaki
I avoid PvP whenever possible. It's thrilling to evade the hunters! Sneaky beaky Big smile
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#58 - 2014-12-20 12:31:41 UTC
Tamazaki wrote:
I avoid PvP whenever possible. It's thrilling to evade the hunters! Sneaky beaky Big smile

Evading hunters falls under PvP too, silly. ;)

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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#59 - 2014-12-21 00:11:10 UTC
You stay in the game for years and then pick victims with lesser gear that cannot in a million years break your tank.

You sit at a gate with 20 others and burn down a single target jumping in and declare yourself l33t.

You train into a cloaky bomber, read one post on how to fire bombs, and profit.

You train into a large alpha and shoot targets that cannot fire back.

Pretty sure that covers 90% of the PvP in EvE.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#60 - 2014-12-21 00:41:51 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
You stay in the game for years and then pick victims with lesser gear that cannot in a million years break your tank.
Are you sure you posted in the right game forum?

Evil RatKid