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Operation Magic School Bus

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c4binfever
The Junk Committee
#101 - 2016-07-16 18:48:56 UTC
Great idea to help out newbros.

I joined your mailing list to check it out - i have a couple of friends joining the game soon.

I noticed that in the welcome letter you put your signature in as simply 'm'. Perhaps it would be an idea to put in your character name (link) it would give members a point of contact so they could send you queries?

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Hael Morgan
Perkone
Caldari State
#102 - 2016-07-23 12:20:26 UTC
I'm actually opposed to the idea of handouts for new players.

It doesn't help in the long run imho, and if anyone is going to survive in Eve, then they need to feel and become accustomed to it's brutality.

This char is new, but I've been floating around New Eden for a couple of months and learning the hard way. This is THE ONLY way to learn and enjoy EVE.

Having a smiling mysterious benefactor turn up with a truck full of goodies like some kind of space themed Santa is not really what Eve is about, and will, at best, only hold players for a short while longer before they inevitably quit because the game is not for them. It only delays the harsh reality of the game universe.

Surely Eve is about perseverance, about learning from your mistakes and slowly making your way up the ranks..it's not about mum and dad holding your hand.

"My Flag boy and your Flag boy, sitting by the fire...I flew by and winked my eye and set them both on fire!"

Gloriously Unrepentant

Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2016-07-23 18:19:41 UTC
Hael Morgan wrote:
I'm actually opposed to the idea of handouts for new players.

It doesn't help in the long run imho, and if anyone is going to survive in Eve, then they need to feel and become accustomed to it's brutality.

This char is new, but I've been floating around New Eden for a couple of months and learning the hard way. This is THE ONLY way to learn and enjoy EVE.

Having a smiling mysterious benefactor turn up with a truck full of goodies like some kind of space themed Santa is not really what Eve is about, and will, at best, only hold players for a short while longer before they inevitably quit because the game is not for them. It only delays the harsh reality of the game universe.

Surely Eve is about perseverance, about learning from your mistakes and slowly making your way up the ranks..it's not about mum and dad holding your hand.


Yup, I meet a few folks who disagree with what I do. And that is fine. I, personally, don't think that a T1 frigate or dessie is seriously lead to a destruction of the game experience nor do I think I am alone in this opinion.

Holding the players for a short time longer IS part of my goal. Give them more time to interact,to learn, to 'get' the game. The harsh reality is out there but so is SRP, social interaction and the realization that there are many other people playing the game with them.

Oh, Santa is a slacker, only comes around once a year. The Bus does a minimum of one complete lap a week, hitting all 12 career systems.

This week being a slight exception

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

Hael Morgan
Perkone
Caldari State
#104 - 2016-07-24 12:38:33 UTC

Anyone playing eve properly can obtain those thing themselves in a matter of a couple of days. If they are so eager to accept them as a gift rather than working for it, I would question why they are playing in the first place.

If they do the career agents then they'll be floating about in their own destroyer all fitted out (possibly not correctly), in no time..AND they will have at least a basic understanding of what the game is about, in fact there's argument there for making the agents obligatory for new players.

I commend the spirit behind what you do, there's no denying that a friendly face or two is sorely needed early on in the universe given how many cold hearted killers there are out there!

Eve is, from what I see in the forums, at a point in it's life where the vets are concerned about it becoming something 'Less' in order to attract new blood...the kind of blood that wants instant gratification like the consoles give, if we encourage this 'quick fix' 'gimmee now' attitude, surely it is detrimental to what many people are trying to preserve.

If we are to assume that many new bloods like to be given a free destroyer and some goodies..then why not just give them one to start with? or a bundle of isk to spend on whatever they like?

It's erosion, all be it unintentional, and will only serve to encourage similar activity by the developers.

Skill injectors and the like are getting bad press, being able to buy yourself into an advantageous position with minimal effort is already out there. Encouraging it is the surest way to dissolve Eve slowly over time into something that would be more at home on a console.

I'm new to the game, but not new to gaming..I was born before ANY of it existed, pre- spectrum, pre zx81 Hell, even pre-Binatone! so although I may not be an Eve expert, I do know 'unique' or 'different' when I see it, and I know how rare these qualities are in today's gaming world.

If you have something truly different like Eve, you protect it fiercely because it will not last long once the babying begins.

By all means...pod a newbro...explain what he did wrong, discuss fittings and skills and perhaps even reimburse him for his/her loss..this goes on now, and is beneficial to the universe.

But direct handouts will never be a benefit in the long run.

IMHO.


"My Flag boy and your Flag boy, sitting by the fire...I flew by and winked my eye and set them both on fire!"

Gloriously Unrepentant

Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2016-07-24 16:17:26 UTC
Hael Morgan wrote:

Anyone playing eve properly can obtain those thing themselves in a matter of a couple of days. If they are so eager to accept them as a gift rather than working for it, I would question why they are playing in the first place.

If they do the career agents then they'll be floating about in their own destroyer all fitted out (possibly not correctly), in no time..AND they will have at least a basic understanding of what the game is about, in fact there's argument there for making the agents obligatory for new players.

I commend the spirit behind what you do, there's no denying that a friendly face or two is sorely needed early on in the universe given how many cold hearted killers there are out there!

Eve is, from what I see in the forums, at a point in it's life where the vets are concerned about it becoming something 'Less' in order to attract new blood...the kind of blood that wants instant gratification like the consoles give, if we encourage this 'quick fix' 'gimmee now' attitude, surely it is detrimental to what many people are trying to preserve.

If we are to assume that many new bloods like to be given a free destroyer and some goodies..then why not just give them one to start with? or a bundle of isk to spend on whatever they like?

It's erosion, all be it unintentional, and will only serve to encourage similar activity by the developers.

Skill injectors and the like are getting bad press, being able to buy yourself into an advantageous position with minimal effort is already out there. Encouraging it is the surest way to dissolve Eve slowly over time into something that would be more at home on a console.

I'm new to the game, but not new to gaming..I was born before ANY of it existed, pre- spectrum, pre zx81 Hell, even pre-Binatone! so although I may not be an Eve expert, I do know 'unique' or 'different' when I see it, and I know how rare these qualities are in today's gaming world.

If you have something truly different like Eve, you protect it fiercely because it will not last long once the babying begins.

By all means...pod a newbro...explain what he did wrong, discuss fittings and skills and perhaps even reimburse him for his/her loss..this goes on now, and is beneficial to the universe.

But direct handouts will never be a benefit in the long run.

IMHO.




I do not question as to why people play, I am just happy to have them join in.

Have you seen the destroyer fits they hit space with after the career missions? Part of the reason why I give fitted ships is so they get some ideas of possible ways to set up a ship. I never give isk for this reason as they learn nothing from it. Give a man a fish etc.

One of the conditions for receiving a ship is social. Speaking up and watching local and rookie chat is, thus rewarded.

As to this being reaction to declining numbers I started the Bus almost 2 years ago. Just about the time of the This Is Eve video influx of players. Do I want people to stay? Hell yes.

I also have a mailing list that points the players in the direction of things that they can do such as NPSI roams,Eve Uni classes or in game events as well as discuss the fitting choices made in Bus fits. Learn, engage, play,don't be afraid to undock because it is the only ship that you have. THIS is what I'm about. THIS is what the Bus is about.

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#106 - 2016-07-24 18:27:44 UTC
Keep it up Mike, you're doing a great job.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.

Sere O'Asis
Desert Oasis Investigations
#107 - 2016-07-24 20:38:08 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
Keep it up Mike, you're doing a great job.



I agree.

I see Mike in Trossere speaking to new players, answering questions, helping those who want help.

You're a good guy, and for many new players the first person they speak to in EVE. You make a wonderful first impression.

o7
Drake Okaski
Cheers Pub N Lounge
The Independent Mining Guild
#108 - 2016-07-29 06:48:37 UTC
Thanks for the ship
Cory Za
Sebiestor Tribe
#109 - 2016-07-29 07:37:21 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Timezone is whenever I happen to be on, so it is not a set schedule I could apply to an event.

m


Fantastic idea but remember we are not all US players

"Don't be afraid to fail, be afraid to not try" - Jorym

Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2016-07-30 01:27:22 UTC
Cory Za wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
Timezone is whenever I happen to be on, so it is not a set schedule I could apply to an event.

m


Fantastic idea but remember we are not all US players


Oh I know and so I hit a LOT of timezones and all sorts of time of day for me locally, from first thing in the morning to late late at night.

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

John Volan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#111 - 2016-07-31 06:45:33 UTC
For all the new players out there keep an eye on your local chat in rookie systems and in rookie help. Don't be turned off by the enormous bounty his friends put on him or the creepy portrait his daughter made him (sorry Mike), he's a good guy who will be happy to give you a good ship to get started off right in Eve.
John Volan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2016-07-31 06:50:48 UTC
Hael Morgan wrote:
I'm actually opposed to the idea of handouts for new players.
...

Normally I am too, but what Mike Azariah does isn't what I'd call a handout. I've been in a system when the bus comes through and I was utterly amazed at the number of people who completely ignored him and the free stuff he offered. If he was just giving handouts he'd send isk to everyone in local, but instead the new players have to prove they want it, have to prove they're engaged in looking for opportunities and willing to go the extra mile for the deal. That's the lesson that is most important about the bus imo, the fact that there are plenty of great chances to make your fun and fortune in Eve but you have to be willing to extend yourself to find them.
Arkanos Utrigas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#113 - 2016-08-02 23:00:20 UTC
As a new player to EVE, this is really awesome. I really do enjoy seeing people help out new players. Thanks Again!!!
Minnette Babineaux
The Home Depot
#114 - 2016-08-03 17:44:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Minnette Babineaux
Very nice! Thank you Operation Magic School Bus...but why do you have such a large bounty on your head?
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2016-08-04 20:27:45 UTC
Minnette Babineaux wrote:
Very nice! Thank you Operation Magic School Bus...but why do you have such a large bounty on your head?


want the short answer or the long one?

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

Khalista Hemah
EVE University
Ivy League
#116 - 2016-08-20 21:34:53 UTC
Just wanted to say thanks again for the ship! I don't really know how to fit properly yet, but the nano pump/cap recharger combo is a cool one I'll start using.
Theodoric Dallocort
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2016-08-26 05:11:19 UTC
Thanks for all the help Mike!
Solecist Project
#118 - 2016-08-26 10:50:31 UTC
I will kill you all and spread your corpses across all empires for the drifters to feed on...


Oh, i mean, this is a great service and mike is a helpfull chap!

Damn autocorrect...

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Ais Tee
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#119 - 2016-09-04 16:23:10 UTC
I got a free ship funded by all of you lovely folks!

Thank you so much for project #MagicBus
joehillbilly
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2016-09-11 23:24:58 UTC
Thanks again for all of the hard work. Maybe this'll keep you in the running.