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Grytok
KL0NKRIEGER
#1 - 2014-12-15 17:02:59 UTC
I'm seeing all these Tengu and Ishtar fleets and I'm wondering, why there's no Loki fleets around.

The Loki can field twice the Alpha-damage of a Rail-Tengu, at 100-140km, and can be shrinked down to some 88m sig-radius with an Evasive link, helping to mitigate quite alot of incoming damage.

Here's what I'm fiddling with...

[Loki, PvP Fleet]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II

10MN Afterburner II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

2500 Alpha @ 98+36 (optimal+falloff)
56k EHP
760m/sec with AB II
87.9m signature radius
cap-stable

Boni from a Loki with armor and skirmish links and a Fed Navy Implant.

Sure, the EHP doesn't look that nice at first glance, but that fact is helped alot by it's small signature radius, especially if we keep up the transversal speed.

What do you think about the Alpha Loki idea?
Magormor
Homicidal Suicidal
#2 - 2014-12-15 19:49:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Magormor
about 1 year ago there was one, but you really need a 1600 plate or you will never catch reps.

looks somethink like this
[Loki, Default]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener
Dark Blood Armor Kinetic Hardener
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Sensor Booster II

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#3 - 2014-12-16 09:33:29 UTC
Who needs T3 if you are good with T1? ;)
[Talos, alfa 140]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II

Cap Recharger II
F-12 Nonlinear Tracking Processor, Optimal Range Script
100MN Analog Booster Rockets
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script

425mm Railgun II, Spike L
425mm Railgun II, Spike L
425mm Railgun II, Spike L
425mm Railgun II, Spike L
425mm Railgun II, Spike L
425mm Railgun II, Spike L
425mm Railgun II, Spike L
425mm Railgun II, Spike L

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

With 5 L4 implants you get almost same alfa but at 144 km optimal with 145 targeting range. Speed is still over 1000 m/s but terrible align time (almost half of a minute). No links, just implants (EG-604, CB-704, LT-804, SS-904 and LH-1004). EHP is over 28 k and signature radius about 220 m. But you get almost 50 % more range.
Almost same alfa

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#4 - 2014-12-16 14:48:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Have you ever bought a 100mn booster rocket or just seen them in eft?

there are 22 available in Jita and the lot will set you back around 10 bil.
Arla Sarain
#5 - 2014-12-16 16:11:23 UTC
Gistum B-types 10MN aren't too expensive for this. 100mill or so. Give a good boost.

Out of curiosity fit Amplification node Sub. With links and strong X-instinct Loki gets down to 53m Sig.

Not sure if it matters. Sig tanking is a gamble whatever the chance.

Although taking 250mm rail tengu with spike (0.006 rad/s tracking), 53 sig against 125m sized guns gives a big chunk to the 0.01 rad/s angular speed at 100km. (1000m/s or so on those ABs).
0.5^(0.01/0.006*125/53)^2 = pretty low (2x10^-5).

Maybe I got something wrong.

Either way how would you plan to fight? To sig tank you need transversal. The tengus will prolly pick off a bunch of those lokis as they land on grid out of warp and start turning around like turtles.
Grytok
KL0NKRIEGER
#6 - 2014-12-16 23:28:29 UTC
Transversal in combination with signature radius is a pretty easy thing actually. You just need to provice warp-in and warp-out 90° to the target.

So yeah in a case against the 250mm Rail-Tengus the signature + transversal will actually reduce damage to some 20 DPS per Tengu, and that's without drugs and without the amplification node, but the adaptive augmenter instead.

Also... I never apply LvL 5 subsystems, but only LvL4, as LvL 4's are easy to train back up.

If we look at the Alpha incoming, we'd be looking at some 70 Alpha per Rail-Tengu @ 100km range (Alpha - resists - signature - transversal), so additional buffer isn't really needed, as there needs to be atleast 100 fully synchronous Rail-Tengus to break the remote-rep.

There might explode a handful on the warp-in ofc, but the Lokis have over twice the Alpha of a Rail-Tengu, and once the remote-rep is active, it would be pretty hard to kill them Lokis... a Guardian with the same boni has 47m Sig-Radius and is pretty damn un-killable o.O
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#7 - 2014-12-18 02:45:26 UTC
While those alpha lokis may have twice the alpha of the tengu, the non slippery Pete tengus have 4x the ehp
Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2014-12-21 23:52:08 UTC
plated 10mn ab lokis are still slooooow, if you cant get out of the bubble youre dead... simple like that and now with probing so quick and easy you will be bubbled quite often
another issue: every fleet loses their ships, but using tech3 is more risky, when you die and lose sub skill lvl you can not be able to fly for next 3-5days...

i fought in tengus against lokis and it was very one-sided :D

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Revan Xadi
Ninjew Evasion Inc.
#9 - 2014-12-25 00:05:11 UTC
If you wanted to try this you would need an ECCM also. If you don't, you will be too easily probed and someone will land a harpy gang on your face at 0. Virtue probers are everywhere now.


That being said, loki's are pretty **** right now, except as a webbing support ship. There is a reason nobody flies them.
Arla Sarain
#10 - 2014-12-25 16:25:29 UTC
Revan Xadi wrote:
If you wanted to try this you would need an ECCM also. If you don't, you will be too easily probed and someone will land a harpy gang on your face at 0. Virtue probers are everywhere now.


That being said, loki's are pretty **** right now, except as a webbing support ship. There is a reason nobody flies them.

Do tengu fleets not get probed down?

Still, the idea of a sub 60m sig radius cruiser is pretty enticing if expected to fight against other cruisers.

Point being the lokis could then be fit for A/Cs and have the said virtue probers allow them to land on top of the tengu fleet and just orbit them.