Missions & Complexes

Actually, I think drones should drop alloys. Minerals should come from ore only. Drones should drop tags like Sleepers do that need to be resold in empire (this is actually a buff IMO, as it means less trucking around alloys).

I also think all regular rats (non commander/officer) should only result in metal scraps for salvage. Salvage should solely come from mag sites (yay buff to mag sites).

If something has been changed to make hoards worse then I would say the complaint is legit, though it has not been explained exactly what has changed.

For one, if the stuff comes in waves, is that a change? If the drones target everything in mission area, then hold back the noctois.

If you are multiboxing wait for the area to be cleared before puting in notis, while that char is salvaging the stuff in the thousands of M3 your other char can clear a new site

if not multiboxing, well you have to clear the area anyway before reshiping, no salvaging is not safe in industirals with any rats present.

If you are using a maurader does a all in one ship work, or do the presence of rats now prevent tractoring and cycling the salvager.


If whatever change is a problem, clearly state how it is a problem.

Uh....

I'm saying replace drone alloys entirely with tags.

And having to get things out of space is a good thing. Not having NPC buy orders in null means player buy orders can be placed in null from people who are willing to port it out to empire and make a profit. This is already done with OPEs.

+1

Oh, and someone was asking if CCP thought about it before implementing this. There was plenty of people say WTF are you doing to the hordes in the anom boost thread. And Greyscale pretty much said. Yeah we know this is a kick in the nuts. Tough cookies where doing it anyway.

Try to guess what will happen if everyone will leave drone regiones

Anyway I absolutely sure that CCP have the reason about nerf. But can't get what is a reason...

The nerf to Drone hordes is to harsh.

And lets not post anymore BS about DRF Botters ect.. you think the only bots are in drone regions? your stupidly mistaken. There are thousands/tens of thousands of players who dont bot in this regions.
The arguement go find different space? So you want 1/3 of eve space to be ****? Where do you think they will go? Your space

Can a dev please explain to me how they are balanced with bounty space for the individual player?

We now cannot salvage while we do the horde which we NEED to do in order to get any money. This increases the time it takes to do a horde significantly. Which reduced ISK income.

Oh not to mention in order to be efficient in drone lands you need...

A) A second account with a noctis pilot

B) After you complete your horde you have to goto a station (if there is one in system) and get into a noctis (which you need the skills to fly one) Then you have to go tractor everything and loot everything (salvage is optional but youd be dumb not to) then you have to go back to station (agian if there is 1 in system).

Then after A or B you have to then haul (so you need skills to fly a hauler or a second hauler account) your alloys to a station with a refinery and refine the alloys into minerals.(which you need skills to refine well) You then have to sell these minerals all before you see a single isk for your work.

Please tell me agian.. how is this balanced with bounty space? Cause it gives you minerals instead of isk? Please just give us bounties and end it, leave minerals to the poor miners getting ravaged by the alloys.


BTW everything else looks sweet i just think drone regions require much more work and skills/accounts to acheive the same ammount of isk.Quote

Can you explain to us why they need to be balanced?

I love how people who DON'T live in these areas are so quick to argue about something they obviously know nothing about...


I also love the snarky comments they make like, "Well maybe it shouldn't be balanced," and "go find somewhere else to live" when I know without any doubt whatsoever that they'd be screaming bloody murder if THEIR gameplay was affected...


So I'll respond to all of them with this comment:

"I didn't ask you for your opinion, so STFU...."

That work for you? Good.


Personally I thought the Hordes were just fine as they were, and I've only been running them now for about a month, busting my a$$ to get the right skills, the right ship, the right fittings, buying BPO's for the drones/fighters, etc... Now it's becoming pretty obvious that carriers - already being useless for PvP - are useless for PvE as well.

So I challenge CCP to address these concerns, as they've now made the "hardest" drone site one of the least valuable. And for those of you who aren't affected by this issue, I invite you to mind your own damned business.

I think it is fairly obvious that, regardless of how much anyone agrees or disagrees with the concept of certain space being of dramatically lower value (or higher opportunity cost), CCP is trying to push drone-residents to get mobile and start hassling other regions for "better," space.

Ultimately, it makes little difference what we think about equitable anom equivalents. CCP has made it's agenda clear ages ago and they clearly think that this is their best bet to get sov. wars going again. Since the NC was evicted, I'll be they even think their plan has been a success thus far.

Personally, I don't think anything short of tech moons will ever be worth structure grinding over, but perhaps i'm under-estimating the boredom super pilots will experience without being able to smack subcaps around.