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Currently SD generates no record of the loss, either for the pilot, or the killer.


If you don't want to generate a mail for the killer, then at the very least the pilot who self destructs should generate a personal api verified loss that shows his self as the player that landed the final blow.

We don't care WHO gets the mail, as long as some evidence of the pilots final minutes is generated.

-1, dumb idea.

Self destruct is a strategic option that:

1. denies loot
2. denies intel on fittings
3. pisses off killmail whores

It's hard to pull off, since you need to judge the point of no return early enough to not die normally, but late enough to have no chance of surviving.

It used to be risky before they added the detailed timer. (I'd like that removed tbh, made for fun times. I remember a carrier accidentally self destructing while playing undock games, because docking didn't cancel the countdown.)


The people who want it gone need to find better things to masturbate over, than killboard stats.

"information", what the **** are you on about. Theres no secret fittings on a super; either standard fit (maybe something pimp), or ****-fit which is only used by poor people. Either die with pride or be flamed for having ****-fit and being stupid. I dont care about the loot, but the effort put into a supercap-kill should atleast provide a killmail for the fc who managed to kill it.

+1 as well.

Not really, this is the current situation, Dreads in siege, the FC's address book lights up with hostile supers, all dreads initiate self destruct. No actual threat to the dreads ever made it to system in time, but about 35 of them exploded. This actually happened yesterday.

Nyx tackled outside of a POS, by 70 BS and some hics. Instantly initiated self destruct, theres no way short of lagging a system out right now to generate a super killmail as they all simply start the self destruct timer the second they get tackled, since they can no longer fend off tackle.

There is no skill involved in anything I just described, and there is also no record of the ships demise.


Like I said, we don't really need the mail, but the loss SHOULD show at least on the pilot in questions combat record as a loss, and API verifiable loss, if its under fire at the time, the API will record the damage its sustained in its final minutes from other players and or the loss of the ship. In the case of the dreads that died, they would simply show themselves on their own mail.

Stoffer gets it wrong again, no surprise.

I've lost Rorqual and carrier killmails and I've never successfully avoided lossmails by self-destructing (the one time I tried (in an orca) I lost my pod for my troubles.)

Self-destructs should not generate killmails. Scuttling a ship is a time-honored military tradition and EVE's version of it works just fine, tyvm.

Mag's has it right. No to insurance payout (this isn't Iceland, after all, where people routinely blow up their cars for the insurance payout,) but no killmail either.

Wow, ALL of Pandemic Legion posted on this thread

As the non-Pandemic Legion people have said... get rid of insurance payout, and deny them a killmail. If you can't kill it fast enough, try harder next time

I do agree that having a registered loss on the pilot would be good for stats purposes, but flipping the bird to PL is fine with me too (sorry guys)

But how does being witness to a scuttling translate into being privy to all data concerning the ship immediately prior to the act?
Hell, they are still finding known scuttled wrecks from WWII with all sorts of gizmos and treasures that the observers were completely oblivious to.

- Remove insurance.
- Generate mail for self-destructee.
- Remove pop-up notification of SD initiation.
Alternatively/Additionally:
- Low chance of getting a copy of mail when salvaging wreck.
- Person must be de-aggressed to initiate SD.

The mass-SD of Dreads you complain about is only tangentially related, has a lot more to do with the way the address book system works.
Solution: Five minute delay before "the others" (ie. not alliancee/corp) get online notification for entries in address book.

Hardly a coincidence that this complaint suddenly gets so much attention by Eve's première e-peen whores after the log-off evasion has been removed .. well guess what; log-offski abused a system designed to protect against power outages and whatnot (ie. OOG events) whereas SD uses system that is not only part of game but requires people to remain in game AND that they take a quantifiable economic hit.

PS: Mass log-on of capitals that you describe should be deemed an exploit as it is for all intents and purposes a log-on trap .. only difference is that it is done with capitals since they don't have to be anywhere near the actual gank the "tactic" is condoned.

Yes, because sitting around with supercaps just logged in and idling all day is smart.


No, its not, and its not an exploit.


Also nobody cares whats fit on the ship, ever, at all, its the record of the loss, the record of the actual pilots choice to scuttle the ship thats in question.

We could give a crap less what was in, or on the pilot.


Also I believe in your rage filled tirade of butthurt you have come after the wrong group, PL rides its burning supers into the ground, we're not known as an alliance to "log off' in a fight.

All this may be shocking to you, and hard to take, I understand that as you couldn't even really stay on the topic in your rant. If you'd like to sit and talk about your problems a bit we have some people around who can help you out.

Not sure why a direct response to post is suddenly both a rant but also off-topic .. but something tells me that is probably the generic reply/thought you have for anything that isn't in accordance with your world view. Very modern to be sure, but hardly constructive and certainly not worth my time so enjoy your silence Grath.

See, that would make sense.

A blank killmail only containing participants (but no numbers whatsoever) with "Self Destructed" or "Scuttled" in place of damage received.

PS: Really don't see all the fuss over API verification to SD mails which is all it boils down to .. guess my e-peen/ego does not need the constant attention and my associates are more trustworthy than others.