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Circadian Seekers, a Study

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Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#21 - 2014-12-21 13:58:32 UTC
mr ed thehouseofed wrote:
has anyone noticed the group sizes are changing more often? i have seen them in groups of 2,3,4 and 5 lately , where for awhile it was always 5 where i mine

It has always been 1-5.
Velarra
#22 - 2014-12-21 21:44:46 UTC
A minor thought:

When first we ventured into their domain, we not only passively explored, but ravaged their installations, fired on their drones and acquired all manner of their data and various forms of salvage to use for our own advancement. We have been doing this now for a few years. Not unlike disrespectful ravagers of tombs. Conversely it could be practically argued that the dead or permanently comatose / asleep have honestly, little need for or real claim on their once worldly possessions. Survival of the fittest n' such trains of thought. New Eden is a harsh place. How can one really expect better of its active denizens?

Yet seemingly woken from their slumber to some degree or another, they have returned to New Eden. Do they automatically return the favor on initial contact, as we did within their domain? No. They only scan.

Not to imply the scans are necessarily harmless. That they may be a prelude to something to make Nations' ongoing assault seem childishly amateur in scale and depth of reprisal for wrongs they feel we have done them...

If anything, their patience or preparation? With us, is remarkably intriguing, isn't it?
Crystal Chantreuse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-12-23 06:53:10 UTC
New progression. As of the time of this transmission, I have detected a cosmic signature in local Provi space, one stargate jump from my home base, actually, which I am incredibly unable to pinpoint with my probes. I have not had this problem in a long time. I cannot seem to focus the signal past 74%, but I am able to get enough of a reading to detect that it is some form of Standard Sleeper Cache. I am eager to find out what exactly is contained therein, but it is a scanning challenge unlike any I have experienced in my exploration career since my early adventures. I assume, however, that the Circadian Seekers have begun a second phase of their presence among us: setting up initial bases for activity utilizing the information they have gathered upon us thus far. If anyone else has had any encounters with these anomalies, I am interested to hear what you have found.

~Crystal Chantreuse, Janitorial Services Manager

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#24 - 2014-12-23 07:00:43 UTC
Crystal Chantreuse wrote:
New progression. As of the time of this transmission, I have detected a cosmic signature in local Provi space, one stargate jump from my home base, actually, which I am incredibly unable to pinpoint with my probes. I have not had this problem in a long time. I cannot seem to focus the signal past 74%, but I am able to get enough of a reading to detect that it is some form of Standard Sleeper Cache. I am eager to find out what exactly is contained therein, but it is a scanning challenge unlike any I have experienced in my exploration career since my early adventures. I assume, however, that the Circadian Seekers have begun a second phase of their presence among us: setting up initial bases for activity utilizing the information they have gathered upon us thus far. If anyone else has had any encounters with these anomalies, I am interested to hear what you have found.


These were found in their lesser form before Circadian Seekers were identified, however it does seem that the sites classed with "standard" prefix didn't show up until around the same time the Seekers did.

Inside the sites you will find various technologies and blueprints never seen before. Most known are the "polarized" weapons which have insane damage potential at the cost of reducing your tank to dust.

-Eran
Crystal Chantreuse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-12-23 07:42:02 UTC
Update: A copilot has helped in accessing the site. Initial findings: Two cloaked structures. A Damaged Sptial Concealment Chamber, and a Hyperfluct Generator, the latter of which requires hacking to access. Upon success, it drops cloak and two new structures appear: a Sleepr Multiplex Forwarder, and a Strange Rift, which acts similarly to an Acceleration Gate. The second phase contains further units to be hacked: Mangled Storage Depot, Dented Storage Depot, Coordinate Plotting Device, Immobile Tractor Beam, and Remote Defense Grid Units. Scattered about are several Sleeper Preservation Conduit, Sleeper Multiplex Forwarder, Sleeper Thermoelectric Converter, Sleeper Interlink Hub, Sleeper Enclave, Inactive Sentry Gun, and Impenetrable Storage Depot. Three active defense units are spread at very wide range, from 187 km to 356 km. Wakeful, Restless, and Vigilant Sentry Towers. It appears that the breaching of the various accessible units causes the active defenses to shift their positions within the area. Both Data and Relic Analyzers are required to breach the various units, each causing a shift in the activity of the defenses, and forwards the progress toward being able to attempt breaching the main storage unit. Initial use of a cargo scanner reveals many empty units, presumable existing simply as a level of defense. Storage Unitsshowed to contain a Neutron Blaster, Sleeper Data Libraries, Neural Network Analyzers, and R.A.M Ammunition Techs. Cooridante Plotting Devices seem to upload a coordinate plot to the ship's computer. Remote Defense units seem to be what alters the positions of the sentries. Remote Calibration Devices seem to cause another rift to be activated as a second Acceleration Gate function. It would also seem that the Defense hacks may cause either a deactivation, or an alert timer to the Sentries. Upon a defense activation, backup arrives and corrosive gases are discharged. Unfornately, this was the end of my data collection, as one might imagine. The transcript of system messages that I managed to acquire is as follows.


[07:09:30] Message You have switched a portion of the defense setup in the area. A sentry gun in close proximity to the Sleeper Enclave in the distance has become inactive, but another closer to you has become active.
[07:19:47] Message You have retrieved a coordinate plot and stored it in your cargo hold.
[07:21:05] Message You have retrieved a coordinate plot and stored it in your cargo hold.
[07:28:28] Message You have retrieved a coordinate plot and stored it in your cargo hold.
[07:35:27] Message Alarm will sound in 30 seconds.
[07:35:47] Message 10 seconds...
[07:35:57] Message Alarm sounded!
[07:35:57] Message Alarm raised to level 5. Guardians can activate when alarm level rises.
[07:35:58] Message Elevated alarm. Guardians will deploy in 30 seconds to clear out area.
[07:36:27] Message The Guardian Extermination Units have deployed. They have started discharging corrosive materials to clean up the area. Be very careful when maneuvering close to them and note that the corrosive materials will build up over time.
[07:36:54] Message The clouds of corrosive material are about to expand.
[07:37:01] Message One of the Guardian Extermination Units seems to be malfunctioning.


At least my capsule escaped.

~Crystal Chantreuse, Janitorial Services Manager

Crystal Chantreuse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-12-28 04:08:46 UTC
Update: Another Standard Sleeper Cache discovered. One of the storage devices did indeed contain a blueprint copy for a Polarized Light Neutron Blaster, with 10 runs available, as well as some neural networks and a device I have not seen before: a Takmahl Diamond Rod. The Coordinate Plotting Devices, upon successful hacking, upload X, Y, and Z coordinates to the pilot's ship. The pilot then has two choices of Remote Calibration Device: High Power, and Low Power. High power offers the pilot a longer distance traveled upon using the calibrated rift, and low power offers a shorter distance. Unfortunately, due to electrical issues on behalf of the hacking pilot, his ship warped away and the sleeper cache vanished into space. Another site will have to be discovered before I am able to provide further information.

~Crystal Chantreuse, Janitorial Services Manager

Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2014-12-30 16:12:46 UTC
What about these X,Y and Z coordinates? Where did they lead?

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HELVEGEN
#28 - 2014-12-31 11:23:46 UTC
Circadian seekers and an unidentified structure now in Balle Sing Liaison. Five seekers at a time scanning belts and the station.
Crystal Chantreuse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2015-01-03 03:33:29 UTC
Luna, we've yet to see where the calibrated rift formed from the X, Y, and Z coordinates lead, due to defense complications each time my exploration team has encountered a site. But we're certain that they are to be uploaded to the Rift Calibration Device. When the time comes that we succeed, I will be certain to report our findings. In addition to the Standard cache, we've discovered Limited sites that will only allow frigate-sized ships through the rifts. To date, we've been able to obtain blueprint copies for a polarized hybrid weapon and polraized projectile weapons.

~Crystal Chantreuse, Janitorial Services Manager

Crystal Chantreuse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-01-03 06:08:13 UTC
Update: Standard Sleeper Cache: Upon successful breaching of the Immobile Tractor Beam unit, a tractor beam pulls in six more storage cans that were previously Impenetrable Storage Depots. The cans are simliar to the original three Storage cans in their contents and need for hacking modules, except that they require a relic analyzer rather than a data analyzer. The cans my team managed to breach contained sleeper data and neutral network materials, as well as a blueprint copy for a polarized torpedo launcher, R.Db - Thukker Mix , and R.A.M. items. It would appear that utilizing the tractor completes any task associated with the distant sentry guns, having drawn in the cans away from them. So we have concluded that these are the extent of activities within the first activated room. 3 data cans, 6 relic cans via tractor enabling, disabling defense grid if necessary, hacking coordinate cans, and uploading coordiantes to calibrate the rift, and then choosing a short warp or long warp. Unfortunately, an Alarm unit was ejected during the breach of one of the original storage cans and the team was unable to disable the Alarm, which called in a defense Guardian and we were driven out by corrosive gas. Another site will need to be found in order for us to learn more about the second rift.

~Crystal Chantreuse, Janitorial Services Manager

mr ed thehouseofed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2015-01-07 10:35:53 UTC
took some more pics of the sleepers i thought were interesting , i decided to attack one with my drones , the sleeper in question basically spun on the spot the entire time and scanned my drones the entire time as well.

this i thought was unusual the other 4 sleepers came back from scanning the structure and spent a good 5 mins scanning my drones , my ship and the sleeper wreck my drones had just killed , thats all they did before warping off .

has anyone else noticed unusual behaviour with the sleepers lately?

the 4 remaining sleepers came back after 5 mins to start their scanning again.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#32 - 2015-01-09 23:38:17 UTC
There's a rumor about in the networks and even some capsuleer footage, unconfirmed of course, that these seekers have attacked not only capsuleer-driven vessels but their pods too.

If this is the case, and given their ability to follow in warp and even seek out cloaked ships, we could be in big trouble here.

While scientific study is necessary, not killing them wherever found might be leaving them to adapt, build weapons, and grow stronger.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Temba Mapindazi
#33 - 2015-01-10 16:20:47 UTC
I have destroyed many of them in high sec 0.9 space where they have an unidentified structure set up. They are as yet unable to break free once pointed and scrambled.

The only weakness they demonstrate is the habit of returning to the same spots repeatedly. It makes it easy to ambush them.

I think those concerned that the information gained from allowing them to freely scan is weighted heavily in their favor are correct. Drones have no record of peaceful intentions when it comes to their interaction with humans. When the other shoe finally drops I suspect it will not be pleasant.

To date they have shown no ability to repair each other, armor and hull damage remains if they slip free from being warp disrupted by going in different directions. When you track down the one ship that might have eluded you the damage is still present.

A combat pilot must have two goals to survive,  #1 get the first shot in every fight , #2 get the last shot in every fight!

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#34 - 2015-01-13 13:34:54 UTC
Considering the Concord warning, it was required because as of today, the Seekers changed behaviour!

The changed behaviour includes:

-They defend themselves when attacked
-They follow aggressors through warp
-They pod capsuleers (usually only other capsuleers do this, non capsuleers are generally pleased with eliminating the threat posed by the capsuleer's ship, leaving the pod alone as it's harmless)
-They possibly scramble the target priority list of drones, making them unreliable in focus-fire situations (this requires more investigation to verify!)

So be on your guard! It seems the Seekers are indeed learning & adapting from what they endure & observe! Do keep in mind, so far, Seekers don't agress themselves, they merely defend themselves from agression. While the Seeker damage has been reported as weak, they still are a threat to smaller ships when they fly in groups!

You can read more about it here: 'Circadian Seekers retaliate!'

So folks, stay alert!

Also, keep observing them & report any oddities, the more observations & research we do, the more accurate conclusions that can be derived!

(Edit: I know it's a copy-paste from the Concord warning thread, but that one got so derailed by bickering capsuleers that any useful post gets drowned in the senseless bickering! So placed it here as it's also relevant to this thread & gives new info about the Seekers! )

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#35 - 2015-01-14 07:05:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Had an encounter yesterday.

SSTG Gamera happened upon them and followed them to this customs office where they were seen scanning it.
Note the ripple of energy on the customs station.


Close up view from the side.

Being scanned. Has any known module emitted this energy pattern?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#36 - 2015-01-14 10:02:11 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Being scanned. Has any known module emitted this energy pattern?



Curious, looks like a much more powerful version of the blue glow emitted by stargates when they are scanned (faint blue glow on a scanned Stargate)

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#37 - 2015-01-14 16:42:11 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Being scanned. Has any known module emitted this energy pattern?



Curious, looks like a much more powerful version of the blue glow emitted by stargates when they are scanned (faint blue glow on a scanned Stargate)



Yes notice the blue rippling effect also occurred on the customs station, like electrical discharge on the surface of the hull. I failed to notice if this happened to my ship or drones.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Temba Mapindazi
#38 - 2015-01-14 19:28:54 UTC
Update:

I was aggressed upon undocking by drones outside the station. I found this very interesting, but since destroying them derives no profit I warped off to kill pirates/ rogue drone anomalies.

Imagine my surprise when engaging an Alvi at the anomaly when two of the Cicada drones that had been at the station dropped out of warp behind me and began engaging again. More then a little annoying I can tell you that.

I had previously destroyed a drone anomaly in the same system 0.9 space. Can it be the new Cicada drones will aggress anyone who has recently aggressed drones? Even if they were not directly aggressed? I think I just found that to be true.

The question is now how long and far will they continue to hunt me?

I'll post more when I have additional facts to share.

A combat pilot must have two goals to survive,  #1 get the first shot in every fight , #2 get the last shot in every fight!

Jukko Riis
Doomheim
#39 - 2015-01-14 21:27:36 UTC
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
Update:

I was aggressed upon undocking by drones outside the station. I found this very interesting, but since destroying them derives no profit I warped off to kill pirates/ rogue drone anomalies.
.



That was going to be my next question. Is CONCORD offering bounties on them?

If they're not just attacking you, but actively hunting you, then I think the profit is in your continued existence. Especially if they are going after pods. What does your quote say about first and last shots?



Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#40 - 2015-01-14 21:28:15 UTC
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
Update:

I was aggressed upon undocking by drones outside the station. I found this very interesting, but since destroying them derives no profit I warped off to kill pirates/ rogue drone anomalies.

Imagine my surprise when engaging an Alvi at the anomaly when two of the Cicada drones that had been at the station dropped out of warp behind me and began engaging again. More then a little annoying I can tell you that.

I had previously destroyed a drone anomaly in the same system 0.9 space. Can it be the new Cicada drones will aggress anyone who has recently aggressed drones? Even if they were not directly aggressed? I think I just found that to be true.

The question is now how long and far will they continue to hunt me?

I'll post more when I have additional facts to share.


So let me get this right. You did not aggress the Circadian Seekers at any time, and they shot first? Then followed you around?

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