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Vlademyr
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#1 - 2014-12-14 15:24:39 UTC
How come there is never any civilian traffic using the stargate network?
Jiska Ensa
Estrale Frontiers
#2 - 2014-12-14 15:49:18 UTC
Pretty sure there is, otherwise why are there always pirates camping gates in low and null security space.

Maybe they just don't show up on our overviews because they're irrelevant and not worth bothering with? After all, those convoys around stations are full of juicy loot and most people don't even have those on their overviews.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2014-12-14 20:08:47 UTC
Also, the stargates we use are not by any means the only stargate networks out there. There are many others, run by private corporations, national entities like the navies, and even smugglers looking to sneak past customs.

Considering how prone we are to blowing stuff up even with the standing penalty and/or CONCORD retribution, it's rather understandable that most baseliner (NPC) ships would want to stay away from the stargates used by capsuleers.
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#4 - 2014-12-15 06:22:40 UTC
Vlademyr wrote:
How come there is never any civilian traffic using the stargate network?


We didn't have the in-station traffic until recently. Perhaps in the future we'll see more than simple 'cargo trains' at the undock.

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind
Jade Blackwind
#5 - 2014-12-15 08:22:00 UTC
I'd go with the handwavy version that the standard capsule interface firmware simply prevents all civilian traffic from being displayed. Because eggers shoot everything that moves for teh lulz.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#6 - 2014-12-15 12:34:19 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
I'd go with the handwavy version that the standard capsule interface firmware simply prevents all civilian traffic from being displayed. Because eggers shoot everything that moves for teh lulz.


That doesn't work though because there's a lot of civilian traffic near stations, we just never seem to catch them while jumping through a gate. So I have to go with confirmation bias: Most capsuleers are just so arrogant they ignore civilian ships jumping through gates with them, so those ships obviously don't exist. P
Jade Blackwind
#7 - 2014-12-15 12:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Owen Levanth wrote:
That doesn't work though because there's a lot of civilian traffic near stations
A painfully slow moving caravan of 1-3 haulers is not "a lot". Note that there are no passenger ships or shuttles, just industrials carrying cargo from one station to another in the same system. (I actually took time to observe them when I was new to EVE. I also cargo scanned them and shot at them ~for the science~.). The question is, why we can see those few omnipresent in-system haulers and can not see the rest of the traffic, which in the core systems like Amarr must realistically reach hundreds of ships per day?

The answer, in my opinion, is simple. Those haulers are cheap automated vessels going on autopilot.

Because no one in their right mind would allow a freighter-sized, fragile and very costly luxury liner full of empire VIPs to appear on a capsuleer's overview - they'll instagank it for the killmail and/or rare collector's items, CONCORD or not.

Freaks on a leash, where pod firmware settings is the leash.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#8 - 2014-12-15 13:34:11 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Owen Levanth wrote:
That doesn't work though because there's a lot of civilian traffic near stations
A painfully slow moving caravan of 1-3 haulers is not "a lot". Note that there are no passenger ships or shuttles, just industrials carrying cargo from one station to another in the same system. (I actually took time to observe them when I was new to EVE. I also cargo scanned them and shot at them ~for the science~.). The question is, why we can see those few omnipresent in-system haulers and can not see the rest of the traffic, which in the core systems like Amarr must realistically reach hundreds of ships per day?

The answer, in my opinion, is simple. Those haulers are cheap automated vessels going on autopilot.

Because no one in their right mind would allow a freighter-sized, fragile and very costly luxury liner full of empire VIPs to appear on a capsuleer's overview - they'll instagank it for the killmail and/or rare collector's items, CONCORD or not.

Freaks on a leash, where pod firmware settings is the leash.


I do have seen some passenger ships and luxury space yachts sometime. They're obnoxiously rare, though. I give you that.
Jade Blackwind
#9 - 2014-12-15 13:46:16 UTC
Owen Levanth wrote:
I do have seen some passenger ships and luxury space yachts sometime. They're obnoxiously rare, though. I give you that.
As ambient traffic, or in missions? Some missions do contain civilian yachts (Opux Luxury Yacht) as an objective, container or collidable.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#10 - 2014-12-15 14:02:16 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Owen Levanth wrote:
I do have seen some passenger ships and luxury space yachts sometime. They're obnoxiously rare, though. I give you that.
As ambient traffic, or in missions? Some missions do contain civilian yachts (Opux Luxury Yacht) as an objective, container or collidable.


Oh, I didn't even think about missions. Ambient traffic in local sites, mostly. (Going by memory here.) I faintly remember yachts showing up at major landmarks, for example.

It makes sense, but I would like to seem some more of them at gates. About gates, there are so many military NPC ships sometimes I get the feeling a few civilian ships showing up wouldn't even be noticed, which is a shame.