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Dear CCP: Why don't you learn?

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Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2011-11-30 04:09:15 UTC
I too want the choice to choose an inferior product because that's what freedom is.
ShadowMaster
#62 - 2011-11-30 04:17:26 UTC  |  Edited by: ShadowMaster
Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote:
ShadowMaster wrote:
Personally, I like the new font. I don't like how I have to rearrange all my windows again, but I can live with that.


And it's fine that you do. I'd like to have the option. It would be pretty easy to give us a selection of fonts to use.

Actually it is not easy. The new font is not just a new font, it is a new system for the font. If you read the dev blog that announced the font you will notice that they announced several technical changes to the system. Several times now Punkturis has said it is not possible.

If you really want to talk about this go talk in this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=39120

It is 13 pages long and Punkturis is actually responding in that thread. If you have questions that is probably the best place for you to get an answer from her.

Edit: Sorry I shouldn't have said "not possible" as anything is possible with enough time and money. Point still stands though, it is not worth the effort.
Vera Godspiel
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
#63 - 2011-11-30 04:22:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Godspiel
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There is absolutely no reason why it shouldn't be a simple thing to implement. Assuming it's written properly then within reasonable limits the text fields will automatically scale, position, and wrap any font or font size.


I'm not sure about that. I'm not a programmer per sé. The experience I have sais that it isn't simple in most occasions, but If you have experience in that field that sais otherwise then i'd be happy to believe you.

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I'm complaining because it's bigger and it's screwed up my overview and because it's goofy looking in a sci-fi themed game. But my biggest complaint is that this is a change that has upset a sizable number of players and we aren't being given a choice.


That isn't nescisarily true. The font size can be changed per "object" And If you find it goofy looking, what do you think would be an alternative? Most sci-fi themed fonts aren't readable at all without them being quite big. Most of them are script letters and meant for big titles. A font like times new roman is actually specifically tailored to be readable and has more of a chance to make it as future typeface. I do agree it would really be bad to use that as eve font though.

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36 with a wife and 2 kids. I am not 14, but you are a woman.


great. You still assume and apparently have a hard time interpreting my last remark. I pity your wife and children. Let me help you back to reality. I'm not a woman, I do know what i'm talking about if it's about typography (that's stuff about fonts), I'm unfortunately not blessed with children yet, I'm about the same age as you claim to be, I've only "implied" that I could be a woman because you so blatently stepped over the possibility that I might be one, I do think that you are probably capable of much more then just whining and say constructive things, I love to keep this discussion going as long as you keep trying to make yourself scarse of any descent reply, and I'd love to actually see you make a remark back that I can't counter within a lot less time then it takes to actually type more then 1 character.
Psychophantic
#64 - 2011-11-30 04:23:55 UTC
ShadowMaster wrote:

Edit: Sorry I shouldn't have said "not possible" as anything is possible with enough time and money. Point still stands though, it is not worth the effort.


This.

It's not worth the amount of time and money for CCP to bring back ship spinning and the hangar.

Ya'll just need to HTFU.
Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2011-11-30 04:24:53 UTC
Psychophantic wrote:
It's not worth the amount of time and money for CCP to bring back ship spinning and the hangar.


Wanna bet?
Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
#66 - 2011-11-30 04:28:07 UTC
I like the new font. People had ample time to give feedback about it from blog/sisi.
Psychophantic
#67 - 2011-11-30 04:37:14 UTC
Zoe Alarhun wrote:
I like the new font. People had ample time to give feedback about it from blog/sisi.


I don't like the new font and people did give feedback about it.
flank steak
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#68 - 2011-11-30 04:39:07 UTC  |  Edited by: flank steak
this saddens my just like the new turret icons. The new turret icons were great and everybody cried because they couldn't adjust. Now we are stuck with hand drawn cannons in a Sci-Fi MMO.

It is just a font.

You can get over it.

Do you cry every time you read a new book too?
Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2011-11-30 04:40:25 UTC
Zoe Alarhun wrote:
I like the new font. People had ample time to give feedback about it from blog/sisi.


They did. Apparently you are ignorant.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2011-11-30 04:43:18 UTC
Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote:
The new font is hideous. Honestly, it looks like a debug font that no one got around to changing. It may be more readable, but give us the option for the old one. It's really not that hard.

Fix the logi popup bug and give us the option to suppress the warning all together. Not all of us are stupid carebears who are too dumb to stay alive.

Bring back ship spinning -- Oh wait, you did learn on that one.

Can you please learn from that example and stop changing things for the worse without giving us the opportunity to suppress teh changes?


amen. Let us have the old font if we want it. this new sh|t is Sh|t.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
Psychophantic
#71 - 2011-11-30 04:44:59 UTC
flank steak wrote:

Do you cry every time you read a new book too?


I'd cry if I was made to read the Twilight saga instead of something from Lee Child, Reilly or Crichton.
Steveir
Hagukure
#72 - 2011-11-30 04:47:12 UTC
Jihzma Mei wrote:
The funny thing is that the outcry would be 10x as big if they were switching from this font to the old one. The old font sucked man, let it die.


I won't be sending any flower either. For the first time playing Eve I haven't had to strain my eyes to read chat channels. I know its less futuristic but I'm quite prepared to have CCP Babies for changing the font, and anyone who prefers the old font either is playing on a 50" screen or has a big laptop stuffed under their nose.
Psychophantic
#73 - 2011-11-30 04:56:55 UTC
Steveir wrote:

I won't be sending any flower either. For the first time playing Eve I haven't had to strain my eyes to read chat channels. I know its less futuristic but I'm quite prepared to have CCP Babies for changing the font, and anyone who prefers the old font either is playing on a 50" screen or has a big laptop stuffed under their nose.


Anybody who thinks the earth is round or the earth orbits the sun is a heretic.
Vera Godspiel
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
#74 - 2011-11-30 05:03:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Godspiel
Psychophantic wrote:

Anybody who thinks the earth is round or the earth orbits the sun is a heretic.


The earth afer all is round..... like a pancake :D

And what is this sun you speak of.... Must be that little yellow ball in the sky. Surely we cannot be orbiting that.

And on a further note..... Darwin had it all wrong. His theory of evolution does not fit in 4000 years
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2011-11-30 05:03:38 UTC
Jihzma Mei wrote:
The funny thing is that the outcry would be 10x as big if they were switching from this font to the old one. The old font sucked man, let it die.



I loved the old font for 8 years and still love it. long live the old-font!

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2011-11-30 05:06:11 UTC
ShadowMaster wrote:
Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote:
ShadowMaster wrote:
Personally, I like the new font. I don't like how I have to rearrange all my windows again, but I can live with that.


And it's fine that you do. I'd like to have the option. It would be pretty easy to give us a selection of fonts to use.

Actually it is not easy. The new font is not just a new font, it is a new system for the font. If you read the dev blog that announced the font you will notice that they announced several technical changes to the system. Several times now Punkturis has said it is not possible.

If you really want to talk about this go talk in this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=39120

It is 13 pages long and Punkturis is actually responding in that thread. If you have questions that is probably the best place for you to get an answer from her.

Edit: Sorry I shouldn't have said "not possible" as anything is possible with enough time and money. Point still stands though, it is not worth the effort.


i've been staying up on that thread you linked. It's bullcrap. They should never have abandoned the old font. period. They could've fixed it without destroying it.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#77 - 2011-11-30 05:32:48 UTC
Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote:
Again, that's fine you like it. I should be able to choose.


You're right, of course. It should be a choice and let's be honest, it's dead-easy with fonts, it's not a huge codebase change.

However, having said that, I for one am much happier with the new font, it is far easier to read. Drawback is all my windows have to be resized, but that's not a showstopper for me.

So thanks for the new font CCP - Just please consider giving us the choice of font to use. It's not difficult with Carbon.

Peace out.


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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#78 - 2011-11-30 05:33:57 UTC
I agree with OP that options are good. It seems strange that I can't choose from a large variety of fonts/sizes.

I also agree with OP that there should be a way to deactivate the logi warning (as there is with other warnings.)

I don't consider either of these two things significant enough to be worthy of anger or bitterness, but I'm a pretty mellow dude.
Jacob cirth
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2011-11-30 05:35:09 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
ShadowMaster wrote:
Badezimmer Zerstorer wrote:
ShadowMaster wrote:
Personally, I like the new font. I don't like how I have to rearrange all my windows again, but I can live with that.


And it's fine that you do. I'd like to have the option. It would be pretty easy to give us a selection of fonts to use.

Actually it is not easy. The new font is not just a new font, it is a new system for the font. If you read the dev blog that announced the font you will notice that they announced several technical changes to the system. Several times now Punkturis has said it is not possible.

If you really want to talk about this go talk in this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=39120

It is 13 pages long and Punkturis is actually responding in that thread. If you have questions that is probably the best place for you to get an answer from her.

Edit: Sorry I shouldn't have said "not possible" as anything is possible with enough time and money. Point still stands though, it is not worth the effort.


i've been staying up on that thread you linked. It's bullcrap. They should never have abandoned the old font. period. They could've fixed it without destroying it.

Agreed. All I see in that thread is a dev not wanting to do their job.
Ni Cho
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2011-11-30 05:37:22 UTC
NO

To the OP's suggestion.

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