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Missing a digit on single item sell order - huge undersell
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Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
#21 - 2014-12-15 07:03:26 UTC
An awful lot of victim-blaming in this thread for a price-check single-unit exception that's either poorly designed, bugged, or both.
Jdestars
Stars Research systems Incorporation
#22 - 2014-12-15 11:35:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jdestars
its seems you have do a quick sell based on average regional price but you immediat order fillful a the first buyer of your station
its basic trade Error .... blame only you ... its the cost of your lesson,
"you must check the range order of book buyer before doing anything ..."
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#23 - 2014-12-15 14:06:37 UTC
Kethas Protagonist wrote:
An awful lot of victim-blaming in this thread for a price-check single-unit exception that's either poorly designed, bugged, or both.


I'm not sure you can call it victim blaming when it was entirely his fault. Fixing the warning would be nice, but you should double check what you're typing.

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RAW23
#24 - 2014-12-15 14:13:37 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Kethas Protagonist wrote:
An awful lot of victim-blaming in this thread for a price-check single-unit exception that's either poorly designed, bugged, or both.


I'm not sure you can call it victim blaming when it was entirely his fault. Fixing the warning would be nice, but you should double check what you're typing.


I can't see how this can be considered entirely his fault. CCP implemented a mechanism to stop this happening. That mechanism is broken. It is not unreasonable to expect implemented game features to work and to rely on them working. The whole 'lol, tears, ur fault loser' narrative is a pretty ****** way to respond to someone who is rightly complaining that something is still broken half a decade or more after it was brought in. Yes, most of us have got used to the fact that the mechanic is broken but assuming stuff is broken shouldn't be the default way of approaching the game and excusing CCP's incompetence because 'it's funny that someone is upset' is not the way to get the game to improve.

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350125GO
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-12-15 16:18:49 UTC
Steve Atreides wrote:

Anyway, fed up with this and the waste of 6 weeks of my time and both my subs have been cancelled.


If losing your Nestor makes you feel like you wasted six weeks, then you're playing the game wrong. If you didn't have fun playing to get that Nestor, then why were you doing it?

Regardless, you should have evemailed whoever you sold it to and asked them to udnerstand and sell it back to you for 100m or something generous to make it worth their time. It's a game, people make mistakes, others understand that. Doesn't always work, but worth the 30sec to write the mail.

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Vincenzo Arbosa
Locust Assets
#26 - 2014-12-15 16:47:12 UTC
I lost my ass on a trade deal this weekend, it wasn't a billion but it was about 700m or so.. one click and I was about to puke. Whoops. Instead of whining it encouraged me to find a way to get that isk back asap.. and I did just that. Now the only thing that makes me sick is that I could have made an almost billion isk profit later that night instead of hustling to break even.

Oh well. Live and learn. Or live and quit. I guess that is your decision to make.
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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#27 - 2014-12-15 17:58:55 UTC
Steve Atreides wrote:
Ok, had a look but couldnt find anything on this. Recently spent six weeks on and off grinding SOE missions for a Nestor which I built myself from BPC, took it for a little test run to see if I liked or would be likely to use it and decided to sell (was my original intent).

The regional Sell orders were from 1.3 billion upwards and Buy orders around 800 million. My eyes played tricks on me, I put in a sell order and thought I typed 1.29 Billion but missed a digit and without any warning the item disappeared for 1.29 million

I petitioned asking where was the normal market warning when placing sell orders under 50% and was told that is only for multiple items and not single items. now hang on, there is a warning if I sell two or more 100k isk items that I may be underselling but if I sell a 1.3 billion ship for 1.29 million there is no warning and the item is gone foroever.

To me this is clearly a broken game mechanic and needs to be fixed. I know someone else did the same thing with a carrier.

Anyway, fed up with this and the waste of 6 weeks of my time and both my subs have been cancelled. Would be nice to fix something so elementary...unless CCP, hugely underselling big ticket items by mistake is a intended game play mechanic and seen as a result for the person that gets the low value order.

Well the result is Minus my £240 a year. Cogratulations.
To be fair, that's where the risk comes in on trading. It's already too difficult to make a mistake in comparison with the amount you can earn, so making it even more friendly would be removing too much risk.

I guess the good news is that you've already quit, so they don't need to consider fixing it now.

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#28 - 2014-12-18 13:30:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
Meh, I recently lost 800 mil just on fukking Broker Fees. And no warning either because after the last expansion it is partly broken.

Irony that I actually posted about this very same thing in the Phoebe issues thread....


Then again, someone else recently sold me a 60+ million module for 600k so there is that.

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RAW23
#29 - 2014-12-18 14:39:03 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Meh, I recently lost 800 mil just on fukking Broker Fees. And no warning either because after the last expansion it is partly broken.

Irony that I actually posted about this very same thing in the Phoebe issues thread....


Then again, someone else recently sold me a 60+ million module for 600k so there is that.


If you lost out on broker fees through overpricing an item and didn't get the price warning CCP will typically refund you if you take the order off the market asap. As long as no other player interacts wit your order they don't have a problem fixing things. I lost nearly 3bil on broker fees once by putting three (!) extra digits on a cheap commodity that was way outside the price range of everything else I sell and CCP were willing to refund it. But there's no point even trying when the loss is to another player rather than to CCP as they won't reverse that kind of interaction.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#30 - 2014-12-19 13:56:53 UTC
since we're sharing ADD stories, my biggest win so far was getting a contract for 800m worth of subsystems for 8 isk (no idea how the guy managed to miss six zeroes). biggest loss was selling a freighter for ~140m.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
#31 - 2014-12-19 16:35:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Dream Five
xxx
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#32 - 2014-12-19 17:01:43 UTC
look at the low price for plex today.

835 isk?

owned.

@JerryTPepridge
N00B-SAIB0T
MK Financial
#33 - 2014-12-24 00:29:45 UTC
I see this happen all of the time on the market, to varying degrees. Often, I'll see players list a sell order that was meant to be a buy order. They make for excellent deals.
Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-12-24 15:31:30 UTC
Kethas Protagonist wrote:
An awful lot of victim-blaming in this thread for a price-check single-unit exception that's either poorly designed, bugged, or both.


what exactly is he a victim of?
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-12-24 22:29:25 UTC
Back in mid November I would consistently have an issue where I wanted to post a sell order but the game would misread the entry of the number and decimal. XXX.XX would go in as XXXXX. And I could re-enter the price with the same thing happening so I know it was not a matter of me typo-ing.

I never got the price warning pop up so i figured it had been removed until I modified an order by .20 and it popped up claiming that my price was 90% below average price. I never knew you could get reimbursed for brokers fees. I wonder if its too late to claw back the near 500 million hit I took when I put a stack of isogen up for 13280.
Starbuck
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-12-25 09:31:56 UTC
Artemis Scat wrote:
Im going to go ahead and point out that you would have had to miss 3 digits in order to sell for that much under the original price. 1 digit could be just a mistype. 3 is just negligence on your part to look at the value you were selling for. Don't be so hasty next time and don't try to blame it on the game.


Yeah I triple check every number on every contract I make. Hell I triple check them on normal market sell orders as well... Expect to be scammed and assume your own fingers are trying to scam you as well. Treasonous lot them. I'd have them removed if I didn't need them.
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#37 - 2014-12-26 05:14:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Diomedes Calypso
I bought 13 plex for 1000th of what they were worth once(by a regional buy order I had sitting for a long time in 0.0)... I've sold dozens of 800 million isk (million) expanded cargoholds.....
.. and many other silly things.

I learned about that from paying 600 million for a carghold once . I've certainly sold things worth 10s of millions for less....

... I'm not really sure I like the dynamic but its been part of the game.

You play poker you bluff without worrying that bluffing is lying to a friend....
... maybe it's a lame game mechanic making people miss zero's
... but sneakyness is definitely part of the game.... as are cons and grifts etc.

It's not like I acted like a real person and said "trust me fellow player" ... it was all in character via the market mechanism.

If someone takes the time to write me I'll often give them 1/3rd of their mistake back.. maybe more if they truly seem like a player who can't afford the loss and is starting in the game.

.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#38 - 2014-12-26 10:06:21 UTC
Been there, done that to the tune of 2.5b. Now I copy/paste from my web pages like a pro. Pretty bad that the alert box is broken, though. Mind you, it DID pop up when I screwed up and I just ignored it.

OP, you should earn more for that amount of grinding. Have you considered trading?

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Ronny Hugo
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2014-12-26 12:08:31 UTC
Steve Atreides wrote:
Ok, had a look but couldnt find anything on this. Recently spent six weeks on and off grinding SOE missions for a Nestor which I built myself from BPC, took it for a little test run to see if I liked or would be likely to use it and decided to sell (was my original intent).

The regional Sell orders were from 1.3 billion upwards and Buy orders around 800 million. My eyes played tricks on me, I put in a sell order and thought I typed 1.29 Billion but missed a digit and without any warning the item disappeared for 1.29 million

I petitioned asking where was the normal market warning when placing sell orders under 50% and was told that is only for multiple items and not single items. now hang on, there is a warning if I sell two or more 100k isk items that I may be underselling but if I sell a 1.3 billion ship for 1.29 million there is no warning and the item is gone foroever.

To me this is clearly a broken game mechanic and needs to be fixed. I know someone else did the same thing with a carrier.

Anyway, fed up with this and the waste of 6 weeks of my time and both my subs have been cancelled. Would be nice to fix something so elementary...unless CCP, hugely underselling big ticket items by mistake is a intended game play mechanic and seen as a result for the person that gets the low value order.

Well the result is Minus my £240 a year. Cogratulations.


You WILL have setbacks in Eve, that's lif... ehm, eve. Its the same as holding onto the grenade too long in Battlefield and getting blown up, only instead of being punished by a 15 respawn timer, you have real consequences. That's what makes Eve exciting, in a moments bad judgement you can lose trillions (like warping/jumping a Titan somewhere and then it ending up in a huge battle). That's why your heart races in warp to a PVP fight. But I guess you have only ever done the PVE aspect of eve?
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