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How much does it cost to become a capsuleer?

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EdwardNardella
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-12-13 15:19:42 UTC
I am wondering how much it would cost for someone born on a planet to become a capsuleer and get to the start of where we are in EVE (5000 ISK, a rookie ship and some injected skills).

Now I don't want to use something like american dollars as a currency for expressing the cost. I would rather know in the following terms:

Assuming there is some kind of minimum wage that covers the expenses for supporting oneself comfortably with food, rent for an apartment and a small budget for luxury. How many years of that income being saved in its entirety (so as if there was no spending being done at all and all income was going into savings) would one have to save to get the money to go through the process of becoming a capsuleer? I am assuming it would be multiple lifetimes but I could be wrong.
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#2 - 2014-12-13 22:24:34 UTC
EdwardNardella wrote:
I am wondering how much it would cost for someone born on a planet to become a capsuleer and get to the start of where we are in EVE (5000 ISK, a rookie ship and some injected skills).

Now I don't want to use something like american dollars as a currency for expressing the cost. I would rather know in the following terms:

Assuming there is some kind of minimum wage that covers the expenses for supporting oneself comfortably with food, rent for an apartment and a small budget for luxury. How many years of that income being saved in its entirety (so as if there was no spending being done at all and all income was going into savings) would one have to save to get the money to go through the process of becoming a capsuleer? I am assuming it would be multiple lifetimes but I could be wrong.



I'm not sure of an exact figure of the top of my head, and I'm trying to find a source for what I'm going to present next. But I can give you a context/perspective.

ISK doesn't directly translate to any real world currency. For example 30,000 ISK would not be equivalent to a non-capsuleers' yearly wage. As far as I can remember, a few hundred ISK a year is what a regular person would be expected to make. Then of course ISK is an international currency. So you wouldn't see Caldari citizens earning it because they would most likely be paid in corporate scrip.

So even a meagre 5000 ISK is lifetimes of income for ordinary people. And the ISK cost itself isn't even the biggest hurdle of becoming a capsuleer when you factor in training and natural ability.

Hopefully someone else has the ISK comparison source. :)

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Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2014-12-13 23:34:33 UTC
There was a news article a while back which stated that 10,000 ISK is the average amount accrued by a baseliner household over one lifetime. In general, however, ISK is a trade currency and not an effective substitute for a baseliner one. So, the 5,000 ISK we start with is no measly sum.

In addition to that, however, there is also the cost of training: While I don't believe the absolute total time for a capsuleer training program has ever been established in certainty, it is generally considered to take several years of at the very least university-level classes and training programs before you even climb into a pod. During this time you will be utilizing incredibly expensive gear and the services of other, similarly highly-trained personnel (possibly including other capsuleers) who are going to have to be funded as well. This is before we get into the cost of getting a new pilot a clone and implants.

The answer, in short, is "a lot." There is a reason why the vast majority of capsuleers are not free-pilots like players but NPCs directly in the service of various faction organizations: They are a deep investment, and only worth making if there is a good chance said investment will pay off.
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#4 - 2014-12-14 00:03:33 UTC
Esna Pitoojee wrote:
In addition to that, however, there is also the cost of training: While I don't believe the absolute total time for a capsuleer training program has ever been established in certainty, it is generally considered to take several years of at the very least university-level classes and training programs before you even climb into a pod. During this time you will be utilizing incredibly expensive gear and the services of other, similarly highly-trained personnel (possibly including other capsuleers) who are going to have to be funded as well. This is before we get into the cost of getting a new pilot a clone and implants.

The answer, in short, is "a lot." There is a reason why the vast majority of capsuleers are not free-pilots like players but NPCs directly in the service of various faction organizations: They are a deep investment, and only worth making if there is a good chance said investment will pay off.


In Source a timeline is laid out as follows: Prerequisite testing (medical, IQ, and the requirement for a degree in a technical field) which doesn't seem to take too much time, "book-learning" phase (on capsuleer technology, running a ship and crew, maintenance, etc.) which lasts 1-2 years and ends with a six-hour oral exam, then physical training (implant installation, conditioning for space travel ["deprivation tanks, zero-G environments, and shock simulations"]) lasting two years, then two years of advanced command and technical training (one year flying simulations, one year capsule-fitted frigates), after this the final test is to voluntarily undergo euthanasia into a cloned body. So in total the training takes five to six years and requires a degree beforehand.

As to cost the Source only says "provided no grants or scholarships are in the picture, an enormous sum of money [is required]." We can assume that on top of the equivalent cost of a world class 5-6 year education there are also material costs (testing facilities, implants, ships) that add a substantial financial burden on top of what is required for traditional educational paths. Without a knowledge of income disparity in the Cluster it's hard to estimate how much the lifetime accrual of 10,000 ISK is actually worth and then to calculate what an advanced post-secondary education (really graduate or doctoral level education) would cost. However, knowing that capsuleer implants and small ships are required in the later stages of the process then we can assume that an absolute bottom cost for becoming a Capsuleer must be in the hundreds of thousands or millions of ISK. While out of reach of the majority of the population it is reasonable to assume that individuals that meet the physical and mental criteria will often have access to funding from national or corporate interests (considering the rarity of Capsule compatible individuals and their potential value).

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Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-12-16 09:08:05 UTC
I was going to say. I read somewhere that just physically being able to be trained and fit into a capsule/ship is incredibly rare, so those that are capable of doing it will probably be funded by corporations/the military.

I also think (or like to think ^^ ) that there are programs run by the navy or coporations or illegal organisations to create people capable of becoming capsuleers. Maybe they are like second rate or something and not as great as the ones who are 'born that way'.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2014-12-17 02:33:04 UTC
Navies in particular definitely run capsuleer training programs - someone has to be flying all those capsuleer-unique hulls they produce. In fact, by this point "freelance" capsuleers like the players are probably the exception rather than the norm.
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#7 - 2014-12-17 09:04:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Kiandoshia wrote:
I was going to say. I read somewhere that just physically being able to be trained and fit into a capsule/ship is incredibly rare, so those that are capable of doing it will probably be funded by corporations/the military.



This was absolutely true at the start of EvE, but we've seen an evolution to where capsuleer are a more common sight among the population (still rare mind you) Esna Pitoojee above makes a good point on the evolution of capsuleer prominence.
This is evident as many of the Navy commanders & faction leaders today are capsuleers as well, indicating that progress has been made in making capsuleer life easier to get into (still expensive, but seemingly no longer very time intensive/dangerous)

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#8 - 2014-12-17 18:49:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
It's still dangerous and time intensive. 5 years of capsule program, and you need to have a degree to even get accepted (so looking at somewhere like 7-9 years of time required for both higher education and capsule program).

As for dangerous, only something like 12% of people make it through. Most don't die, though some do during the physical parts of the program.

Also, Source implies that you don't necessarily need the perfect genes for it. It says that mindlocking is something that can be countered with training. Having compatible genes just probably makes the whole thing easier, and someone with compatible genes would probably be more likely to get loans as there'd be a higher chance of them making it through the program to make a good return on those loans.

Those who don't make it through probably suffer from debt for the remainder of their lives, due to the expense of the program, unless they were rich enough at the start to not require taking out loans to pay for the program.