EVE General Discussion

No empire in the history of the human race has ever enforced such a rule, right?

"Next thing is that mining is not profitable for all but bots and extreme multi boxers, but people do it to unwind, they are likely chilling out and are physically and mentally tired, so they mine while listening to music and reading or watching a movie"
Here's a thought, bear with me on this.

If you want to relax and unwind you could listen to music and read or watch a movie.

If getting your ships blown up is a stressful experience for you, you'll be pleased to know the EVE isn't a requirement of the above activities.

I could be wrong, but my way seems to be much more enjoyable for everyone (except the gankers; one less person to shoot).

"While their advice to tank their ship or use a mining ship which can be tanked very well is valid and good advice, you often see them go on about clicking D-scan, checking local and rubbish like that, but Osmon has 135 to 240 people in it. That advice is just tosh and they say it to annoy people."
It's not hard to configure d-scan to watch for destroyers. Nor is it hard to scroll through a local list of hundreds of players, scanning for pilots with red skulls next to their names. Same goes for watching for mining ships on grid that seem more interested in sitting on your face than mining space rocks.

In highsec, possibly the best solution of all is a nice tanky procurer, but the above advice is always helpful, too.

"The person will stay polite and not swear and use this manner to irritate people further, being sure to admonish people who swear at them."
CODE. are monsters and everything they do is bad and wrong. They're not polite because it's just good manners expected of normal people, they do it to wind people up.

Seriously, do you listen to yourself?

"They also go on about CONCORD a lot presumably because they like to rub it in that CONCORD is stopping people from being able to shoot them"
Gankers, especially criminal gankers are freely attackable by any pilot.

"Using such sophisticated methods to to get at people who mainly want to chill out doing a boring and fairly mindless and inefficient way to earn ISK and where a single gank delete hours and hours of work is certainly something to wonder about."
Yeah, I wonder how the miner in question is willing to fly a ship that takes him hours to pay for.

"Often you will see the words hisec pubbie thrown about, this is a sort of dehumanisation which is very effective in making people see the person who they are targeting as a non-human who deserves it, fascinating stuff."
Pot, meet kettle.

"When looking for something to do a couple of months back I had a look at CODE, the thing is that they have it sussed, bumping can never be made a criminal flag action and their gankers are too difficult to go after as you will spend hours camping a station for a small chance of catching them warping to an instra."
Ding, ding! This is why it's futile to try to fight CODE. It's impossible to do any meaningful damage to them. Do what you said you do, tank your ships and take active measures to stay alive. That is by far and away the most damage you can do to CODE: Deny them targets.

Can I define CODE. which is an alliance of pilots that do not hold space stations or anything for that matter as the same as an empire. Your comment makes no sense.

In terms of people watching a movie, I am talking about a certain type of miner, I am not the sort of person to tell them not to watch a movie or read something while mining. For my own part I play or I don't play, if I watch a movie I go watch it on my home cinema. The question does it make them more vulnerable, well yes and no, take a system like Osmon with 235 people in it and a system that has a lot of movement through it, which also is the issue with your next statement, if a miner warped out every time a destroyer was on scan while ice mining he would never mine anything based on the cycle time. The only thing you can do is sit there in a heavy tanked ship. So your suggestion while worthy in terms of ore mining and systems that are not on pipes or have a small number of people it does not work for Osmon.

Are you calling CODE monsters, because I am not, I was pointing out the clever use of contact with people in local to stir up their prey, and I have sat through hours of this type of stuff.

You say that Gankers can be freely attacked, they can only be attacked if they are -5 (I originally said -10), so you have to wait until they aggress, they often leave a pilot who does not aggress to catch out people, I have seen them do it, again very good play.

Mining is an inefficient way to make ISK, but people mine because they like doing it, the hit on them is often heavy because it took them a long time to get that ship so more anger, I was stating why there was a strong reaction to CODE by them.

I know how to deal with CODE, I have not lost a ship to them and am very unlikely to do so, though they could always make a special effort on a Skiff, but I don't mine in Osmon and they have to actively hunt for me on the rare occasion I mine, they can always go after other things but I am not an easy target.

Yes you are correct my bad, however my issue with that is that rounding difference can be lethal, and you do suffer status loss for your actions, ok perhaps I should say -5.1 or worse.

EDIT: I will check out the overview in something suitably cheap and with an alt, having already been caught out by this personally which is why I had -10 as being the only safe people to attack in hisec in my head. Thanks for the corrections.

It's a matter of a group of people following a set of rules. Those who refuse are branded criminals, nothing more.


So don't follow that survival tip. Just because a survival technique doesn't apply at all times doesn't render it invalid.


And I was pointing out that a polite conversation with anyone else is just that person being nice, but the same conversation with a member of CODE. is a techniqe to "stir up their prey".


Players with security status -5 to -10 (as you mentioned), those who are criminal, or suspect flagged or have a limited engagement with you (they shot first, as you mentioned) or those with an available kill right can be aggressed without CONCORD intervention.


This is not a valid justification. An expensive loss on top of a poor income is no one's fault but that of the victim. Dislike your attacker for killing you by all means, but the severity of the loss lies exclusively on you.

... and losec
... and renter blusec
... and also most WHs
... well close to anywhere in null in an intie and anywhere in losec in an intie or covops capable ship

Actually a smart player is pretty safe pretty much anywhere except maybe some NPC null areas if your not blue to the locals.

Seems to me the anti-miner deal is just a hypocritical load of shite. "I'm leet and and pvp." Except when I'm taking a break and am harvesting my own little thing AFK ISK-farming thing." ISK-farming is built into the game, for smart people to patiently work toward and take advantage of. You have an objection to null-sec moon goo harvesting? Shee-it.

Newbros mine while checking out the game. There's a whole profession designed in for that. Did you ever notice that? There are resources to be harvested all over the cluster, and risks involved in getting them. Exponential risks and rewards. These days there are set expectations, formularized patterns for maximizing the harvesting. But is that any reason to hate on a guy who just joined and is checking out the big ass grand digital formula of EVE Online? Give people a break.

And you leet people punching miners, shut down whatever passive farming thing you got going on first.

But, where do moon goo and half of the other vital components for stuff built come from? People used to accuse Goons of AFK mining their null sec sov spaces. Hell no, they intelligently set up passive harvesting and delivery to Jita systems. Kill them AFK ISK-harvesting bustards! Who's going to do it? Shee-it!

Little man harvesting .5 mil/hr in hi sec-- oh yeah, plenty to shut that down. Bump him, taunt him, make him angry. Hypocrisy-- no sir! Kill that little chicken shite indy bustard!

It's just hi sec PVP. Good enough, fair enough, game on!

So I guess if a criminal calls you a criminal then you will accept that then.

In terms of D-scan and local it works for certain systems and situations, yesterday in Osmon one of the ice belts was 0.6 au from the station in which the very effective gankers were operating from, fat chance of getting out of that is there? Its not a question of using it or not, its a question of whether it offers you any chance of getting out. You're talking to someone who has ninja mined in lowsec and in NPC 0.0 and there it works, though often you have to operate with people in system, but there are certain systems that work well in terms of having belts that are away from gates and stations, its all a question of system selection.

In terms of the polite conversation, its well done, yesterday the prolific ganker in Osmon explained to one Russian guy he had ganked how to get his pod out better, the Russian guy seemed to appreciate it. But if you don't see what I am getting at in how this works and the brilliance of the system set up by James 315 then its not my issue. Maybe I will try to help you understand, its carefully targeted at a certain type of miner, answers on a post card if you can work out which type, and no its not just bots or ISBoxer users, the target is a group of players playing the game.

About the attacking part, the angle was really looking at it from the perspective of stopping the attacks, the Osmon ganker is -10 so people were using ECM on him and as soon as he arrived he got flooded by drones, he still got his kill and pod. Also the use of CONCORD as a weapon is well understood by anyone who has tried to have fun with this. When I looked at CODE a while back I came to the conclusion that it was not worth while going after them, my position on that has not changed, especially as I have my own feelings of contempt towards people using anything other than a Skiff or Procurer and of course fail to tank their ships, it might surprise you to know that I feel they deserve their loss.

You are using you in terms of suggesting that I am a mining victim, nope, I am merely observing and giving my view of this, I made my ISK largely in 0.0, currently I am mucking around in hisec waiting for the sov changes, but I head back to NPC 0.0 every so often, currently I am waiting for the Russians in Stain to move on Estoria. I was merely explaining how the miners feel and why they react so strongly, pinning that on me is incorrect, I have only lost one mining ship and that was a Hulk ninja mining in NPC 0.0 which got decloaked by a corp mates alt after I had done an emergency warp out and that was a long time ago.

Depends on whether you consider that person a criminal.

"In terms of D-scan and local it works for certain systems and situations, yesterday in Osmon one of the ice belts was 0.6 au from the station in which the very effective gankers were operating from, fat chance of getting out of that is there?"
Like I said: Survival techniques do not work 100% of the time. When one technique doesn't work, another one does.

"In terms of the polite conversation, its well done, yesterday the prolific ganker in Osmon explained to one Russian guy he had ganked how to get his pod out better, the Russian guy seemed to appreciate it. But if you don't see what I am getting at in how this works and the brilliance of the system set up by James 315 then its not my issue."
I see what you're getting to just fine. I'm saying you're wrong. They're being polite because it's simply respectful, not because there's an angle to it.

"About the attacking part, the angle was really looking at it from the perspective of stopping the attacks, the Osmon ganker is -10 so people were using ECM on him and as soon as he arrived he got flooded by drones, he still got his kill and pod."
ECM is chance based. The RNG gods smiled on the ganker that day. Maybe next time, the defenders will receive their blessing.

"I have my own feelings of contempt towards people using anything other than a Skiff or Procurer and of course fail to tank their ships, it might surprise you to know that I feel they deserve their loss."
Not entirely. You've displayed an understanding of the game and its mechanics. Generally, I find that the more knowledgable a player, the less sympathetic they are to gank victims.

"You are using you in terms of suggesting that I am a mining victim, nope,"
I never said you were. Apologies if you feel the sentiment was implied.

We need to agree to simply hate on *everyone* and this whole imaginary issue goes away.