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CONCORD Inner Circle Statement on "Caroline's Star" and the "Thera"

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Verdis deMosays
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-12-13 04:04:28 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
So... yeah. As much as I'd like to give CONCORD's science team the benefit of the doubt here, all they've really done is say - in flowery pseudoscientific language - "hey, there's this really weird thing in the sky that seems to be doing faster-than-light... stuff! Sure is weird, huh?!"


That sarcasm, Andreus, is kind of....Civire, don't you think?
Anslo
Scope Works
#22 - 2014-12-13 04:09:04 UTC
Verdis deMosays wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
So... yeah. As much as I'd like to give CONCORD's science team the benefit of the doubt here, all they've really done is say - in flowery pseudoscientific language - "hey, there's this really weird thing in the sky that seems to be doing faster-than-light... stuff! Sure is weird, huh?!"


That sarcasm, Andreus, is kind of....Civire, don't you think?

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#23 - 2014-12-13 04:29:57 UTC
Kyoko Sakoda wrote:


I can't believe I'm defending CONCORD, but...

Capsuleers are crowdsourcing their research. CONCORD is a bureaucracy and a very secretive one at that. There will always be huge discrepancies in the material generated by the two parties. The price we pod pilots pay for faster information acquisition is wild speculation.


I'm not even sure we get faster information acquisition; baseliner news and scientific authorities were likely abuzz at the same time we were. It's just that we don't have reliable access to the majority of baseliner media, and thus to the readily available professional assessments. Instead, we have an echo chamber of essentially amateur assessment on scientific matters.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#24 - 2014-12-13 04:55:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Why are they amateur? Why is everything we do that isn't related to bounds from an official CONCORD notice an echo chamber or pointless discourse? You literally say this same ******* bullshit every time. 'Unless it's from CONCORD and official CAPSULEER news, everything else is amateur and baseless.'

Know what's amateur ? Your pessimism. ****.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-12-13 05:07:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
I've got to agree with Anslo on this subject, although probably for different reasons. There are people out there in the black - myself included, thank you very much - who are busting our behinds trying to demystify the bizarre phenomena that have been plaguing our cluster as of late. What has CONCORD been doing during this time? Jack nothing. If we waited for CONCORD's go-ahead for everything none of us would even know what the other side of the wormholes looks like, because that "unenforceable travel ban" (read: "piece of do-nothing legislature we wrote so future generations couldn't say we literally did nothing") they placed on wormholes is still in effect.

If CONCORD wants to give me a science team, a mandate and an official mission objective? I guarantee you I would not hesitate to throw every single ISK, asset and starship I own at such an endeavour. Until then, if CONCORD are the "professionals," long live the goddamn amateurs.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

mr ed thehouseofed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-12-13 05:15:27 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I've got to agree with Anslo on this subject, although probably for different reasons. There are people out there in the black - myself included, thank you very much - who are busting our behinds trying to demystify the bizarre phenomena that have been plaguing our cluster as of late. What has CONCORD been doing during this time? Jack nothing. If we waited for CONCORD's go-ahead for everything none of us would even know what the other side of the wormholes looks like, because that "unenforceable travel ban" (read: "piece of do-nothing legislature we wrote so future generations couldn't say we literally did nothing") they placed on wormholes is still in effect.

If CONCORD wants to give me a science team, a mandate and an official mission objective? I guarantee you I would not hesitate to throw every single ISK, asset and starship I own at such an endeavour. Until then, if CONCORD are the "professionals," long live the goddamn amateurs.


well said

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#27 - 2014-12-13 06:13:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
We can run in circles, take lots of pictures, catalogue, chart. These things we can do, and we're rather good at them. Kraid-haan and I are currently working on this, as are a lot of others. Before the month is out, I expect various capsuleer organizations will have scoured the newly-opened wormhole systems, and we'll have a comprehensive collection of puzzle-pieces.

Doing this work is necessary, important, and advances our knowledge. However, it advances it incrementally. If we're lucky, this incremental advance of knowledge will allow us to understand what's happened.

The speculation we see on the Galactic Summit is not scientific. Part of it is simply the lack of data. Part of it is ego, causing pilots to try to find some new, bold theory or activity to advance so that their name is in lights. Part of it is sometimes plain, old-fashioned ****-waving, the desire to best someone else in public. Most of it is that the speculation we see on the Summit-- it's a scatter-shot of theory with no means of testing or verification.

Bringing this back to the topic at hand, CONCORD has released a report. As we all figured, they aren't saying much we haven't already figured out. Capsuleers had already identified the location of the blast, an incremental advancement of knowledge based on charting and making determinations based on the information gleaned. We have already noticed that the blast is superluminal in nature, from the same charting. CONCORD supports the theory that the blast and the contemporaneous appearance of new wormhole systems is linked. Correlation is not causation, but there is certainly some correlation.

CONCORD's confirmation is useful. Anything beyond that is conjecture, speculation-- sometimes wild speculation. Until we have more data, we have no confirmation. The useful thing to do, the thing that advances our understanding of the cluster?

Get out there in a ship and probe, chart, catalogue.

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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#28 - 2014-12-13 06:16:22 UTC
Well said Priano-haani.

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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2014-12-13 10:58:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Anslo wrote:
Jokes aside, and in all seriousness, I don't get the whole...optimal pathways that support coalescence of viable superluminal conduits for both energy and matter. What are they referring to?


An optimal pathway that supports coalescence of viable superluminal conduits for both energy and matter is obviously a coordinate-specific weakness (or fold) in the space-time continuum that can support the formation of paired singularities, thus allowing faster than light transit across a region of space.

Didn't they teach you science at school?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Kyoko Sakoda
Achura-Waschi Exchange
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#30 - 2014-12-13 11:11:53 UTC
A tachyon orders a beer. A tachyon walks into a bar.
Anslo
Scope Works
#31 - 2014-12-13 14:06:05 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Jokes aside, and in all seriousness, I don't get the whole...optimal pathways that support coalescence of viable superluminal conduits for both energy and matter. What are they referring to?


An optimal pathway that supports coalescence of viable superluminal conduits for both energy and matter is obviously a coordinate-specific weakness (or fold) in the space-time continuum that can support the formation of paired singularities, thus allowing faster than light transit across a region of space.

Didn't they teach you science at school?

No. Much like they didn't seem to teach you how to undock. I could use medical jargon to insinuate you're promiscuity in a round about way much like you instead of giving a straight forward answer. Luckily I'm not a pax bashin ****.

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Havohej
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2014-12-13 14:59:32 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I've got to agree with Anslo on this subject, although probably for different reasons. There are people out there in the black - myself included, thank you very much - who are busting our behinds trying to demystify the bizarre phenomena that have been plaguing our cluster as of late. What has CONCORD been doing during this time? Jack nothing. If we waited for CONCORD's go-ahead for everything none of us would even know what the other side of the wormholes looks like, because that "unenforceable travel ban" (read: "piece of do-nothing legislature we wrote so future generations couldn't say we literally did nothing") they placed on wormholes is still in effect.

If CONCORD wants to give me a science team, a mandate and an official mission objective? I guarantee you I would not hesitate to throw every single ISK, asset and starship I own at such an endeavour. Until then, if CONCORD are the "professionals," long live the goddamn amateurs.

...How does it come to be that I agree with you, of all people, about anything?

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#33 - 2014-12-13 15:04:40 UTC
Havohej wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I've got to agree with Anslo on this subject, although probably for different reasons. There are people out there in the black - myself included, thank you very much - who are busting our behinds trying to demystify the bizarre phenomena that have been plaguing our cluster as of late. What has CONCORD been doing during this time? Jack nothing. If we waited for CONCORD's go-ahead for everything none of us would even know what the other side of the wormholes looks like, because that "unenforceable travel ban" (read: "piece of do-nothing legislature we wrote so future generations couldn't say we literally did nothing") they placed on wormholes is still in effect.

If CONCORD wants to give me a science team, a mandate and an official mission objective? I guarantee you I would not hesitate to throw every single ISK, asset and starship I own at such an endeavour. Until then, if CONCORD are the "professionals," long live the goddamn amateurs.

...How does it come to be that I agree with you, of all people, about anything?

I have that effect.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Havohej
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-12-13 15:06:42 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Havohej wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I've got to agree with Anslo on this subject, although probably for different reasons. There are people out there in the black - myself included, thank you very much - who are busting our behinds trying to demystify the bizarre phenomena that have been plaguing our cluster as of late. What has CONCORD been doing during this time? Jack nothing. If we waited for CONCORD's go-ahead for everything none of us would even know what the other side of the wormholes looks like, because that "unenforceable travel ban" (read: "piece of do-nothing legislature we wrote so future generations couldn't say we literally did nothing") they placed on wormholes is still in effect.

If CONCORD wants to give me a science team, a mandate and an official mission objective? I guarantee you I would not hesitate to throw every single ISK, asset and starship I own at such an endeavour. Until then, if CONCORD are the "professionals," long live the goddamn amateurs.

...How does it come to be that I agree with you, of all people, about anything?

I have that effect.

I hate you.

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

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Havohej
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-12-13 16:22:51 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Blah, blah, blabbity blah.

Here you go again.

"If some baseliner authority hasn't said it, it doesn't mean anything, and you're all crap."

If you haven't got something useful to add to the discussion, then shut the **** up.

FAKEEDIT: I'm not even really involved in all this research and supposition, but it makes for more interesting reading than why "the Federation must be destroyed!" And you're shitting it up.

I'm also not surprised at having to repost this in a more "proper" format.

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-12-13 16:27:04 UTC
Havohej wrote:
...How does it come to be that I agree with you, of all people, about anything?

You may finally be learning to accept that literally everything I ever say is the absolute, unvarnished truth.

Alternatively it may be that I'm really good at turning photographs upside down.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Anslo
Scope Works
#37 - 2014-12-13 16:36:26 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Havohej wrote:
...How does it come to be that I agree with you, of all people, about anything?

You may finally be learning to accept that literally everything I ever say is the absolute, unvarnished truth.

Alternatively it may be that I'm really good at turning photographs upside down.

MY SIDES

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#38 - 2014-12-13 17:16:37 UTC
I'm not even sure I can follow what passes for logic with Scope Works.

Carry on, then.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#39 - 2014-12-13 17:28:12 UTC
**** your logic we reject your reality and substitute our own.

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Havohej
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2014-12-13 17:28:39 UTC
Anslo wrote:
**** your logic we reject your reality and substitute our own.

STRAYA!

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

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