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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#181 - 2014-12-16 13:28:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
Gods and spirits.

One thing that continually frustrates me about the Intergalactic Summit is the propensity for people to view other posters as literal avatars for their home nation or faction, who must at all times be pushing the agenda of that nation or faction, rather than individuals capable of their own distinct opinions on both affairs domestic and foreign to them. For instance, people have accused me of being a covert Federal in recent weeks, because the idea of being able to point out problems with ones own society without literally being part of that societies enemy is apparantly a completely alien concept to them.

In that same vein, while I don't agree with everything he's saying, it is sort of bizzare to call Andreus a hypocrite. He isn't the Federation incarnate. He isn't responsible for any wrongdoing the Federation has done to the State in the warzone. He is perfectly qualified to be critical of the Empire in any respects that he wants - Because he is himself, not a simple mouthpiece for the Gallente government.

Edit: And if anyone is about to make any sly "Could've fooled me!" jokes, please know in advance that I consider you the epitome of petty triteness.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#182 - 2014-12-16 13:29:52 UTC
Well said.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#183 - 2014-12-16 13:43:55 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
In that same vein, while I don't agree with everything he's saying, it is sort of bizzare to call Andreus a hypocrite. He isn't the Federation incarnate. He isn't responsible for any wrongdoing the Federation has done to the State in the warzone. He is perfectly qualified to be critical of the Empire in any respects that he wants - Because he is himself, not a simple mouthpiece for the Gallente government.

Got that right. Roden couldn't possibly write paychecks fat enough to get me publicly voicing support for some of the decisions he's made over the past few years.

But thank you for your kind words, in any case.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Anslo
Scope Works
#184 - 2014-12-16 14:41:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
Gods and spirits.

One thing that continually frustrates me about the Intergalactic Summit is the propensity for people to view other posters as literal avatars for their home nation or faction, who must at all times be pushing the agenda of that nation or faction, rather than individuals capable of their own distinct opinions on both affairs domestic and foreign to them. For instance, people have accused me of being a covert Federal in recent weeks, because the idea of being able to point out problems with ones own society without literally being part of that societies enemy is apparantly a completely alien concept to them.

In that same vein, while I don't agree with everything he's saying, it is sort of bizzare to call Andreus a hypocrite. He isn't the Federation incarnate. He isn't responsible for any wrongdoing the Federation has done to the State in the warzone. He is perfectly qualified to be critical of the Empire in any respects that he wants - Because he is himself, not a simple mouthpiece for the Gallente government.

Edit: And if anyone is about to make any sly "Could've fooled me!" jokes, please know in advance that I consider you the epitome of petty triteness.

Well I just fell in love. RIP my life.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Jukko Riis
Doomheim
#185 - 2014-12-16 14:50:41 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Jukko Riis wrote:
The whole "Scorched Worlds" campaign by your government is completely irrelevant

Yes, because firstly, I've never heard of it, and secondly, this thread isn't about the Federation.



Point taken.

And I do suggest you read up on the history of the Rise when you get a chance.

Just my opinion but here are none of us here, representative of our governments or corporations or not, who get to preach about another groups' wrongdoings.

Given what we are and what we do, there are none of us who can claim the moral high ground.

BRCE: Mission Statement!
Cpt 10100
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#186 - 2014-12-16 15:25:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt 10100
harumph!! All Hail Ammar
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#187 - 2014-12-16 15:30:25 UTC
Jukko Riis wrote:
there are none of us who can claim the moral high ground.


that doesn't disqualify us from discussing who DOES claim it, though....

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Jukko Riis
Doomheim
#188 - 2014-12-16 15:47:00 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Jukko Riis wrote:
there are none of us who can claim the moral high ground.


that doesn't disqualify us from discussing who DOES claim it, though....



Again, point taken.

BRCE: Mission Statement!
Cpt 10100
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#189 - 2014-12-16 15:54:27 UTC
No more should the heathen s' roar,
Let us push aside the blasphemous,
Amarrian faith is the old gold,
Our peity makes us infamous.
All hail Ammar. Harumph! Harumph!
Astera Zandraki
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#190 - 2014-12-17 02:46:36 UTC
The Caldari apparently won the war years ago as well!
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#191 - 2014-12-17 06:07:47 UTC
Astera Zandraki wrote:
The Caldari apparently won the war years ago as well!


Yes. We've been humouring you ever since. Or something.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#192 - 2014-12-17 15:20:04 UTC
Astera Zandraki wrote:
The Caldari apparently won the war years ago as well!


Indeed. We won it later though. Twice.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#193 - 2014-12-17 19:15:25 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
Shut up. Everybody is in the wrong. We've seen this argument hashed out so many times I expect most of us can repeat it by rote. Literally very major group in the cluster has done something that the others can point at and claim moral superiority. Repetitive arguments on a glorified message board are not going to suddenly prove that one viewpoint is right and, by god, how had we not seen this all along?!

For the sake of your own blood pressure, just stop.

Go suck on some drop or something equally useful.

Are you out of your mind, IGS will just ceases to exist if everyone stoped their repetitive arguments.

And winners don't do drugs.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#194 - 2014-12-17 19:21:34 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Astera Zandraki wrote:
The Caldari apparently won the war years ago as well!


Indeed. We won it later though. Twice.


We won it once in between that.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Anslo
Scope Works
#195 - 2014-12-17 19:30:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Moment passed. Let the **** show continue.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#196 - 2014-12-17 19:55:45 UTC
Hey, boss? If they stop being talking heads, that means they'll have time to do other things. Things that may interfere with things we are doing. If we let them be talking heads, then we don't have to worry about it as much. They'll make a small accmplishment and spend the next month bosting about it instead of moving to bigger objectives. Let them talk, it's not like they can do more than annoy people.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#197 - 2014-12-17 20:47:15 UTC
Hello pot this is kettle, you're black!

Calling somebody's narrow interests pointless while being involved passionately in your own narrow interests is a bit weird. And yes, everyone is involved in narrow interests, because, you know, human being.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Anslo
Scope Works
#198 - 2014-12-17 20:49:59 UTC
Whatever. I have my moments where I give a damn for some odd reason. Moment passed.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#199 - 2014-12-17 21:03:28 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Astera Zandraki wrote:
The Caldari apparently won the war years ago as well!


Indeed. We won it later though. Twice.


We won it once in between that.


By the measure of full Warzone Control, the State Protectorate hasn't "won" since I've been in the Militia. Gallente forces have at least held onto Fortress systems such as Vlil and Nenna during the post full control Caldari counteroffensives.

This being a brag thread, I'm taking full personal credit, obviously.
Liuni Kalthis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#200 - 2014-12-17 21:24:14 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Astera Zandraki wrote:
The Caldari apparently won the war years ago as well!


Indeed. We won it later though. Twice.


We won it once in between that.


By the measure of full Warzone Control, the State Protectorate hasn't "won" since I've been in the Militia. Gallente forces have at least held onto Fortress systems such as Vlil and Nenna during the post full control Caldari counteroffensives.

This being a brag thread, I'm taking full personal credit, obviously.


Not sure its a brag thread; I know its a recruitment thread for us apparently. +1 member.