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PI Taxes?

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Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#61 - 2011-11-29 21:47:52 UTC
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
Confirming that the base prices were adjusted as well as default tax rates for Concord and Interbus customs offices. The latest and best information is available here:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice


did you ever stop to think what this is going to do to the economy?

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#62 - 2011-11-29 21:48:30 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
This really surprised me too. I was able to make around 500-800m a month in highsec doing production only but now it will be closer to 100-300 o_o Kind of not really worth it anymore. People say the prices might go up and that could be true, but if the prices go up all around that does not help the production only people. The ratios between buying and selling will still be the same probably D:



Thing is that less offer will be available, more iskies you'll get from what you do.

The more taxes, replacement cost/fuel you have to consider on base prices the more expensive they will get but, it's not an option. Wait a littel bit, keep producing your stuff and leave it on your hangars, prices will probably become interesting in a few days/weeks
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#63 - 2011-11-29 21:49:47 UTC
Denidil wrote:
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
Confirming that the base prices were adjusted as well as default tax rates for Concord and Interbus customs offices. The latest and best information is available here:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice


did you ever stop to think what this is going to do to the economy?



It's good

And you what do you think it will do to the economy since you seem to have some point of view?
Linka Romanov
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2011-11-29 21:50:30 UTC
Denidil wrote:
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
Confirming that the base prices were adjusted as well as default tax rates for Concord and Interbus customs offices. The latest and best information is available here:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice


did you ever stop to think what this is going to do to the economy?


Prices will adjust to account for the new taxes, players will gravitate towards low tax alternative POCOs, and there will be an actual incentive to go to lowsec/nullsec. Life will go on. If anything, this adds a much needed isk sink to highsec, as all of that isk paid to interbus/concord is leaving the economy.
Endovior
PFU Consortium
#65 - 2011-11-29 21:50:58 UTC
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
Confirming that the base prices were adjusted as well as default tax rates for Concord and Interbus customs offices. The latest and best information is available here:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice


Thanks for the confirmation. Wish you'd been more explicit about this beforehand.
Linka Romanov
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2011-11-29 21:52:06 UTC
Ingvar Angst wrote:
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
Confirming that the base prices were adjusted as well as default tax rates for Concord and Interbus customs offices. The latest and best information is available here:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice


Confirming it was a bad idea and you screwed up.


Well, if there's one way you're sure to convince the one developer who can revert the change you don't like, it's yelling at him and throwing a tantrum!

Care to offer a well-reasoned argument as to why the change is bad for the economy?
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#67 - 2011-11-29 21:52:49 UTC
Kal'ar Rinah wrote:
but i have to say that it is in direct odds with what the dev blogs on PI have stated and there was nothing in the patch notes at all about the price increase

you've got one dev blog that was advertised and pushed forward for attention that states that to keep costs as they were set the tax rate to 5% and then a wiki entry (which i haven't seen posted anywhere before this thread ) stating something completely different


Yeah, agreed about that.

Kal'ar Rinah wrote:
also my main concern now is if they update the tax values on a monthly (or bi-monthly) basis then PI costs could very easily spiral out of control..


If they did that it would be ensured to spiral out of control. The market will raise prices by 17% to accomodate the new tax, then they'd update base prices to the new price, it'd go up another 17% to accomodate the tax again, and they'd update the base to the new prices, and so on...
Malcom Dax
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2011-11-29 21:53:16 UTC
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
Confirming that the base prices were adjusted as well as default tax rates for Concord and Interbus customs offices. The latest and best information is available here:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice


So its working as intended. I honestly hope that sometime soon(tm) you change your intentions. Taxes of this magnitude will kill high-sec PI. Or is the idea behind this to drive PI out to low-sec where taxes can (not necessarily will) be cheaper?

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#69 - 2011-11-29 21:53:24 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:


The more taxes, replacement cost/fuel you have to consider on base prices the more expensive they will get but, it's not an option. Wait a littel bit, keep producing your stuff and leave it on your hangars, prices will probably become interesting in a few days/weeks


I agree on the stockpiling - that alone makes it a self fulfilling prophecy! :) Still PI prices are crazy - there is no way I can maintain current price levels when you consider 1) The price increase 2) The fact that some items must be shipped to different planets for advanced/high tech manufacturing, thus paying tax again - import and export and 3) Customs offices which if not owned by me, will cause me to be gouged by the owning corp and if owned by me, will cost me bribe money to not have them blown up.

I understand that with DUST looming CCP wants to give us a reason to fight over planets. Up to now PI has been somewhat of a side-show. However this fundamental game changer is going to re-shape the entire EVE economy and also the whole point of the game. Before it was about grinding sov. Now it's about running to protect planets. Anyone still want to play?
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#70 - 2011-11-29 21:53:57 UTC
Denidil wrote:
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
Confirming that the base prices were adjusted as well as default tax rates for Concord and Interbus customs offices. The latest and best information is available here:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice


did you ever stop to think what this is going to do to the economy?


Oh, did you ever stop to think that they gave it much consideration?

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#71 - 2011-11-29 21:54:01 UTC
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#72 - 2011-11-29 21:54:52 UTC
I'm sorry, sometimes I have trouble containing my evil glee at your realization that PI is no longer a free ISK printer in highsec and may actually require effort and risk to turn a much higher profit.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#73 - 2011-11-29 21:55:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Mara Tessidar wrote:
I'm sorry, sometimes I have trouble containing my evil glee at your realization that PI is no longer a free ISK printer in highsec and may actually require effort and risk to turn a much higher profit.


No, you haven't stopped to think about what this means for null sec. AFAIK customs offices can be popped by anyone sov or no sov. Prepare to lose all your POS fuel to your enemies via raids.
Endovior
PFU Consortium
#74 - 2011-11-29 21:58:08 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Mara Tessidar wrote:
I'm sorry, sometimes I have trouble containing my evil glee at your realization that PI is no longer a free ISK printer in highsec and may actually require effort and risk to turn a much higher profit.


No, you haven't stopped to think about what this means for null sec. AFAIK customs offices can be popped by anyone sov or no sov. Prepare to lose all your POS fuel to your enemies via raids.


Customs Offices do reinforce. If you can hold a POS, you should be able to hold a Customs Office. And if you can't hold a POS... well, you shouldn't be stockpiling your PI goo in the Customs Office, anyways.
K Suri
Doomheim
#75 - 2011-11-29 21:59:50 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Mara Tessidar wrote:
I'm sorry, sometimes I have trouble containing my evil glee at your realization that PI is no longer a free ISK printer in highsec and may actually require effort and risk to turn a much higher profit.


No, you haven't stopped to think about what this means for null sec. AFAIK customs offices can be popped by anyone sov or no sov. Prepare to lose all your POS fuel to your enemies via raids.

God forbid. Goons will now have to fight to keep their free isk printer in nullsec alive.
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#76 - 2011-11-29 22:00:04 UTC
Endovior wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
Mara Tessidar wrote:
I'm sorry, sometimes I have trouble containing my evil glee at your realization that PI is no longer a free ISK printer in highsec and may actually require effort and risk to turn a much higher profit.


No, you haven't stopped to think about what this means for null sec. AFAIK customs offices can be popped by anyone sov or no sov. Prepare to lose all your POS fuel to your enemies via raids.


Customs Offices do reinforce. If you can hold a POS, you should be able to hold a Customs Office. And if you can't hold a POS... well, you shouldn't be stockpiling your PI goo in the Customs Office, anyways.


You realize there's a difference between an armed structure and a floating target, yes?

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#77 - 2011-11-29 22:00:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Endovior wrote:


Customs Offices do reinforce. If you can hold a POS, you should be able to hold a Customs Office. And if you can't hold a POS... well, you shouldn't be stockpiling your PI goo in the Customs Office, anyways.



But holding a POS is different. A POS has guns and thus is (fairly) immune to small ships. And a system with sov has cyno jammers, so there will be no big ships until the cyno jammer is taken out. That means only one thing to defend in a system. Customs offices have no guns. So unless you're prepared to camp all your customs offices, prepare to run all over null sec responding to attack notifications...
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#78 - 2011-11-29 22:00:57 UTC
Hisec, higher taxes.
lowsec and null, lower taxes


This is a good thing.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#79 - 2011-11-29 22:04:35 UTC
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:
Oh, did you ever stop to think that they gave it much consideration?


The fact that the dev who made the blog post about it doesn't seem to have even been aware they were changing it makes me doubt it was thoroughly contemplated. But, I actually think it's a good thing. Driving people out of hi sec and encouraging turf wars in low sec over POCOs are both probably good things.
Jim Hooknose
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2011-11-29 22:05:51 UTC
Was going to keep Eve subbed while I played another mmo, but with the changes to PI, I won't be.

Thanks CCP for making this decision easier and saving me $45 a month.