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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#161 - 2011-11-30 00:47:50 UTC
Like to jump on the "I don't like this Font" wagon as well.

Why did it change?

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Endeavour Starfleet
#162 - 2011-11-30 00:50:15 UTC
Wow I have rarely seen more idiocy in a single topic.

The new font went on Sisi a LONG time ago. You choosing now to complain about it now instead of after CCP asked for FEEDBACK when it went on the test server instantly invalidates your arguement.

CCP keep the new font. It is fine.
Amber Green Thorn
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#163 - 2011-11-30 00:50:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Amber Green Thorn
Quote:
Go to steam and see the most common screen resolutions.
I see this:
1920 x 1080 23.73%
1680 x 1050 18.08%
1280 x 1024 11.39%


Whether you like the old font or not there exists serious scaling issues here.

I've a 22" monitor set at 1680 x 1050.

At 100% the UI scaling makes the text too large and clearly requires me to make all open windows that bit larger. it all looks cluttered - away from the cleaner lines of the old UI. At 90% the UI scaling makes the text just about right, however the text at the top of the windows and tabs is scaled too small. In typesetting you just don't use too similar sizes for fonts as is the case here. Cardinal rule.

For me - this font thing has half marred starting Crucible for the first time. It just got in the way.

Tl;Dr - The scaling requires workSmile

Apart from that!! Good job on everythingBig smile er.....apart from- the new mining laser sound (return of) is going result in mental health problems...Ugh
BondGamer
Perkone
Caldari State
#164 - 2011-11-30 00:51:16 UTC
I played games 15 years ago that let you select the font you want to see. Why is it impossible for a 2011 MMO to have some options?
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#165 - 2011-11-30 00:52:05 UTC
I really like the new font, it's certainly a lot more readable than the old

I lied :o
Theodemir
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#166 - 2011-11-30 00:52:18 UTC
As CCP, many that go on sisi and others have said this new font is more function over fonshion!

90% UI, 10 font, 24" widescreen & 1920*1080 font is clear and tidy. No squinting or leaning forward necessary.

Problems with the new font as expected: Lost its sci-fi edge/[poss not the font itself] names truncated in item tab (as others have stated).

Personally, EvE UI feels more 'tidy' with this patch.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#167 - 2011-11-30 00:54:52 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Wow I have rarely seen more idiocy in a single topic.

The new font went on Sisi a LONG time ago. You choosing now to complain about it now instead of after CCP asked for FEEDBACK when it went on the test server instantly invalidates your arguement.

CCP keep the new font. It is fine.


I will complain when I see it for the first time, which is now. Not everyone has time to test a game every patch.

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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#168 - 2011-11-30 00:58:09 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
flank steak wrote:
wow you have known this was coming out for about a month and you choose today to complain about it? Seriously forum warriors?


Agreed. People have had the option to see the new font for a long time. They asked for feedback before it went live for a reason.


QFT. From both of you.


People have complained since it was first released. CCP didn't care because they are "Fearless".
Rhastafan
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#169 - 2011-11-30 00:58:40 UTC
First thing I noticed after the patch was the horrible new font; I had a stack of 66 ships and the "66" was so blurry I could not read it; in fact all stack quantity numbers are mostly illegible. Also on headings when there is number followed by a right bracket, the bracket is much too close to the number. So after spending most of my gametime trying to figure out how to reset back to the old font I come to these forums and discover that there is no way to change back to the old font.

I am entirely confused by those posting that the new font is better and clearer; at first I thought they were clearly being sarcastic but I am starting to think maybe for some the new font is actually better, but for me it is so much worse and so completely illegible in many situations that I am at a loss for words.

Don't get me wrong, I think the old font sucked and needed to be replaced, I just find it astonishing that it was replaced with an even worse font.

Sign me up on the petition to change back to the old font. New font is sooo bad, I am looking at an 8 and the top circle is larger than the bottom oneAttention

On a related note is there a way to change the font for the forums? It seems to have the same or similar font as is ingame.

I never used the test server and never read any reference to the font being slated for change so this all came as quite a shock to find that they changed it to something so bad without giving the option to change back.

1600x1200 is my resolution of choice and I use a 19" CRT monitor with a flat aperture grille.
Ryas Nia
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#170 - 2011-11-30 00:58:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryas Nia
Sadly the new font is next to impossible to read for me :( I am really struggling to find a clear way to explain it but something about my dyslexia makes it so i have to work out every word character by character rather than being able to quickly look at the word and recognize it.

Anti-aliased fonts would be handy as it would soften the edges making each character more distinct, if I cant have the old font back or toggle between them, maybe we can add that without much effort. I could also really use some Kern spacing control as many of the characters seem to be stuck together making reading even harder. Again maybe that is something that can be added without lots of overhead.

Overall, font is worse for me :(
Octarius Eskravu
The Racing Mackerels
#171 - 2011-11-30 01:00:10 UTC
I was so excited with this new patch...but as soon as i logged in...i had to come to the forums looking for a complain thread bout the font...looks like im not alone.

This font is terrible...yeah it can be more readable if your looking at 1 word...but when the chat starts having more than 10 words its a mess...looks like a letter soup! i feel like i playing eve with a patch for a handicap person...also lots of issues trying to fill the space...like names that appear when they log in/off and ammo on the gun icon...and more.

the older might had issues...but this is surely not the solution.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#172 - 2011-11-30 01:02:01 UTC
Closest match to pre-crucible font / window size settings can be obtained by using 90% scaling (from esc menu) + small font option (from overview settings). However some text areas become too small and for example reading how many items are in stacks could be little tricky on smaller monitors. Nothing you couldn't live with though.

Using 100% scaling you may encounter some problems fitting all your windows as they were (in space).

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#173 - 2011-11-30 01:02:41 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Closest match to pre-crucible font / window size settings can be obtained by using 90% scaling (from esc menu) + small font option (from overview settings). However some text areas become too small and for example reading how many items are in stacks could be little tricky on smaller monitors. Nothing you couldn't live with though.

Using 100% scaling you may encounter some problems fitting all your windows as they were (in space).


90% scaling makes things like your gun icon's ammo count numbers look like ****.
Miss President
SOLARIS ASTERIUS
#174 - 2011-11-30 01:13:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Miss President
The new font is such a step backwards towards the stone age.

I can understand this type of font development when first computers where just invented, but we live 2011 with technology, graphics, interfaces advancing in a very fast pace - each time creating something beautiful and genius, but this font is not it - and totally out of pace.

Looking at this font for the first time I'm thinking "IS THIS A JOKE?"

Font scale in menues, in local window, in right click bookmarks is different everywhere, each time requiring visual re-adjustment.

Font Expert's first priority should be user friendliness and usability - font should scale and be readable in many sizes.

The biggest problem is each area you look at requires visual readjustment, this font is not user friendly - it's hostile.

I think CCP should immediately roll back to old fonts, and let their font expert finish the work on the test server.

I rate this font 1 on a scale of 10.

Old font I'd rate 7 on a scale of 10.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#175 - 2011-11-30 01:13:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Stormshadow
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Closest match to pre-crucible font / window size settings can be obtained by using 90% scaling (from esc menu) + small font option (from overview settings). However some text areas become too small and for example reading how many items are in stacks could be little tricky on smaller monitors. Nothing you couldn't live with though.

Using 100% scaling you may encounter some problems fitting all your windows as they were (in space).


90% scaling makes things like your gun icon's ammo count numbers look like ****.


Yep... Like I said - that is one of the side effects of this.

The root cause is that the default font size was increased making many windows little bigger. Default font should have been same size than the old font keeping old windows intact. Scaling should have been used only to make standard windows together with the standard font bigger.

Anyways... 90% + small font in overview makes the thing usable. You can always hover over stacks to get some clarification about the amounts in them.

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest
Barakkus
#176 - 2011-11-30 01:16:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Barakkus
Ryas Nia wrote:
Sadly the new font is next to impossible to read for me :( I am really struggling to find a clear way to explain it but something about my dyslexia makes it so i have to work out every word character by character rather than being able to quickly look at the word and recognize it.

Anti-aliased fonts would be handy as it would soften the edges making each character more distinct, if I cant have the old font back or toggle between them, maybe we can add that without much effort. I could also really use some Kern spacing control as many of the characters seem to be stuck together making reading even harder. Again maybe that is something that can be added without lots of overhead.

Overall, font is worse for me :(


Depending on the size of the font, the spacing gets weird, that's why you're having an issue.
Keep playing with it, it'll get readable for you at some point, but it may not be the size you want it to be.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#177 - 2011-11-30 01:16:36 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Closest match to pre-crucible font / window size settings can be obtained by using 90% scaling (from esc menu) + small font option (from overview settings). However some text areas become too small and for example reading how many items are in stacks could be little tricky on smaller monitors. Nothing you couldn't live with though.

Using 100% scaling you may encounter some problems fitting all your windows as they were (in space).


90% scaling makes things like your gun icon's ammo count numbers look like ****.


Yep... Like I said - that is one of the side effects of this.

The root cause is that the default font size was increased making many windows little bigger. Default font should have been same size than the old font keeping old windows intact. Scaling should have been used only to make standard windows together with the standard font bigger.

Anyways... 90% + small font in overview makes the thing usable. You can always hover over stacks to get some clarification about the amounts in them.


"Excellence"
Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#178 - 2011-11-30 01:17:50 UTC
as an add on:

although i love the font it was originally unreadable. Too make it readable I had to turn back from windowed to full screen. Its possible this is a windowed mode issue (in terms of readability).
[Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits?](https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=199765)
Barakkus
#179 - 2011-11-30 01:18:46 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Wow I have rarely seen more idiocy in a single topic.

The new font went on Sisi a LONG time ago. You choosing now to complain about it now instead of after CCP asked for FEEDBACK when it went on the test server instantly invalidates your arguement.

CCP keep the new font. It is fine.


Couple weeks =/= a LONG time.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#180 - 2011-11-30 01:22:13 UTC
Miss President wrote:
The new font is such a step backwards towards the stone age.

I can understand this type of font development when first computers where just invented, but we live 2011 with technology, graphics, interfaces advancing in a very fast pace - each time creating something beautiful and genius, but this font is not it - and totally out of pace.

Looking at this font for the first time I'm thinking "IS THIS A JOKE?"

Font scale in menues, in local window, in right click bookmarks is different everywhere, each time requiring visual re-adjustment.

Font Expert's first priority should be user friendliness and usability - font should scale and be readable in many sizes.

The biggest problem is each area you look at requires visual readjustment, this font is not user friendly - it's hostile.

I think CCP should immediately roll back to old fonts, and let their font expert finish the work on the test server.

I rate this font 1 on a scale of 10.

Old font I'd rate 7 on a scale of 10.


Yeah, I get a very "amateurish" feel to the game now. Might sound stupid but I don't even like the new nebula backgrounds. They aren't very smooth and look poor in quality. The font makes it even worse.

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