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Dinta Zembo
Tea. Earl Grey. Cold.
#561 - 2011-12-01 14:59:18 UTC
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:

Now from what we can see, there are very heated opinions on the topic. We did a little quasi-scientific analysis of the forums chatter. There were 1220 posts on the topic at the time of counting, 960 unique characters posting ( with the top 50 posting 31% of the posts ). We counted 6% objecting the new font, 49% somewhat neutral and 45% writing in a positive manner about it.



That's still 6% of your paying customers. Fixing something for the majority doesn't mean you can ignore the rest. Now get me an optional patch with the old font.
Archa4 Badasaz
Vangazhi
#562 - 2011-12-01 15:07:37 UTC
Can someone of those who love this new font change your graphic settings to 1024x768 and windowed, and tell how do you find this new font then? Especially the overview window...
Signal11th
#563 - 2011-12-01 15:11:47 UTC
Dinta Zembo wrote:
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:

Now from what we can see, there are very heated opinions on the topic. We did a little quasi-scientific analysis of the forums chatter. There were 1220 posts on the topic at the time of counting, 960 unique characters posting ( with the top 50 posting 31% of the posts ). We counted 6% objecting the new font, 49% somewhat neutral and 45% writing in a positive manner about it.



That's still 6% of your paying customers. Fixing something for the majority doesn't mean you can ignore the rest. Now get me an optional patch with the old font.



Are you serious? Yeah let's rewrite the code because a very small minority of our customers prefer it that way. WTF?

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

nubile slave
Advanced Weapon Supplement League
Fraternity.
#564 - 2011-12-01 15:12:49 UTC
So nothing has really changed?
CCP still does what they want and tells the customers to pound sand? who'd a thought....Oops
All I see are cosmetic changes that did nothing for gameplay....don't people pay to play?
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#565 - 2011-12-01 15:27:41 UTC
Things about the new font that could be improved:

Take for example the number 313. There is too LITTLE space between the first 3 and the 1. There is too MUCH space between the 1 and the second 3. It looks like the 1 is shifted 1-2 pixels too far to the left for whatever reason.

Decimals should be more visible.





Dinta Zembo
Tea. Earl Grey. Cold.
#566 - 2011-12-01 15:28:55 UTC
Signal11th wrote:



Are you serious? Yeah let's rewrite the code because a very small minority of our customers prefer it that way. WTF?


Are you serious? It's not like a font change affects all of EVE's code that makes up the game mechanics.
Signal11th
#567 - 2011-12-01 15:33:14 UTC
Dinta Zembo wrote:
Signal11th wrote:



Are you serious? Yeah let's rewrite the code because a very small minority of our customers prefer it that way. WTF?


Are you serious? It's not like a font change affects all of EVE's code that makes up the game mechanics.



Mate you can try and be glib all you want but really so according to CCP 6% of as you say paying customers aren't happy with it (this 6% probably moan at everything) so you want it changed? So what they are paying customers, they can always spend their money somewhere else if they are not that happy over a font.

Sometimes I think it's why CCP have trouble fixing the big stuff because they get waylaid fixing all the silly stuff.

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Louise seklkara
Doomheim
#568 - 2011-12-01 15:41:14 UTC
Talthrus wrote:
The things that are most frustrating to me are solely related to the new numbers:


  • Numbers have almost no spacing between them (maybe a pixel?). Is this just something in my client? Can I fix this?
  • 8s, 0s, and 9s are particularly hard for me to tell apart at a quick glance. I have to spend extra time confirming that I read prices correctly. It was much easier to read numbers with the old font. Maybe this is related to my screen size/view distance but it's almost unbearably annoying.


The rest of the font seems okay, if a bit cartoonish.


I agree with you. Especially regarding the numbers ( 8s, 0s and 9s). When I check my market orders I know a 0 is a zero, nothing else. I understand that using a slashed zero is useful when you don't know if you're seeing a zero or the letter o in a chat message for example. But now I find it more difficult to spend an hour checking prices.
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#569 - 2011-12-01 15:52:47 UTC
Well, I like the slashed 0 on system names or on character names, but the "0" in the market and basically everything that is KNOWN to be a number and not a "O", then those "0" should be regular "0" and not slashed ones.

Slashed zeros are harder to read. I mean, they are "heavier", if you know what I mean.

Also, the "." and "," should be more visibile. On the speedometer, you can barely see it when your capital ship's undocking at 79.5m/s. The "." is just too smal, and you can read "795m/s".
Risingson
#570 - 2011-12-01 15:58:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Risingson
the font and its implementation are beta P / apart from font tweaks maybe an uppercase option plus one intermediate step between lowest and next size ?
Bridget Banks
Rise Of Exiles
United Empire of Miners
#571 - 2011-12-01 16:23:02 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
[quote=Dinta Zembo][quote=Signal11th]


so according to CCP 6% of as you say paying customers aren't happy with it

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Where did that 6% came from ? Was there a survey ? No one asked me if I like the new font. I don't and I know more people who don't, so it's alot more then 6%.
Scortched Merc
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#572 - 2011-12-01 16:43:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Scortched Merc
I'm jumping into the 6% bandwagon... fix/go back to the old font! Evil

I am the 6%... I'm going to go plant a tent in the park across the street at CCP!!!

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Veriasse Valence
Axitek Consortium
#573 - 2011-12-01 16:53:03 UTC
After living with the font, it still irks me to no end.

That said, Crucible is otherwise so niiiiiiiiiice. Just because we dislike the font and wish it could change doesn't mean we disapprove of the release! At least I dont.
Kaede Kimura
Perkone
Caldari State
#574 - 2011-12-01 16:55:59 UTC
New typeface is GREAT, and an improvement on the old one. People don't know what's good for them.
Signal11th
#575 - 2011-12-01 16:59:40 UTC
Bridget Banks wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
[quote=Dinta Zembo][quote=Signal11th]


so according to CCP 6% of as you say paying customers aren't happy with it

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Where did that 6% came from ? Was there a survey ? No one asked me if I like the new font. I don't and I know more people who don't, so it's alot more then 6%.



Try reading the rest of the thread then??

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

Dimitar Sokarad
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#576 - 2011-12-01 17:10:41 UTC
Shocked When did we get EvE for windows v 3.0???
I was promised enhanced graphics! To be fair the in space stuff does look good, but, my UI is rather hideous...

I don't know who thought the 1930's senior citizen sized font was a good idea, but you fail. I have heard people talking about how hard the old font was to read on big screens. Ok, maybe it needed to be changed, but, this font is horrid. It makes the entire UI and all of the changes you affected to it look cheap and 20 years out of date. Not to mention, the changes you made to the fitting window, arguably the best looking part of the UI, make it look like something out of 90's shareware. I cringe every time I have to open my fitting window, and do everything I can to avoid opening it. If going back to the old font is not an option, fine, but find one that doesn't make the game look cheap and out dated please.
Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#577 - 2011-12-01 17:19:56 UTC
I like the new font Big smile

more people complain, than say nice things. it's normal. so that 6% is likely to be overstating things.
Mograthi
#578 - 2011-12-01 17:22:23 UTC
Archa4 Badasaz wrote:
Can someone of those who love this new font change your graphic settings to 1024x768 and windowed, and tell how do you find this new font then? Especially the overview window...


Why the heck would i do that when i am not running on a early 90's CRT that is only capable of that?
How about you go spend $150 on a LCD that supports 1920 X 1080?
Archa4 Badasaz
Vangazhi
#579 - 2011-12-01 17:29:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Archa4 Badasaz
Mograthi wrote:
Archa4 Badasaz wrote:
Can someone of those who love this new font change your graphic settings to 1024x768 and windowed, and tell how do you find this new font then? Especially the overview window...


Why the heck would i do that when i am not running on a early 90's CRT that is only capable of that?
How about you go spend $150 on a LCD that supports 1920 X 1080?


I only want to hear your opinion - what will you think about new font with those settings... I just want to find out - is that really the Resolution settings or what...

And about spending money - yeah a laptop with monitor... I just don't see that work.
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Dimitar Sokarad
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#580 - 2011-12-01 17:31:32 UTC
Mograthi wrote:
Why the heck would i do that when i am not running on a early 90's CRT that is only capable of that?
How about you go spend $150 on a LCD that supports 1920 X 1080?

LMAO that must be why they did it! So you could run EvE on an early 90's CRT!