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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#261 - 2011-11-30 05:13:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mutie DaPig wrote:
Jeez -- you can't listen to other people at all can you. 2560×1440 @ 27" and you can't understand what normal lower life mortals use and are whingeing on about??
Thinking is hard, isn't it?

It means if anyone should have problems reading the new font, it would be me — that's a decently high DPI, you know… and then I make it worse by reducing the size even further and putting into “small” mode. And yet, it's not causing any problems for me. How about that? Maybe, just maybe, it's because this new font is better for reading and for tiny text than the old one, and that even the down-scaled UI doesn't lose enough details to break things… hmm?
Vera Godspiel wrote:
2560x1440@27"...... sounds like a Mac to me.
…because it's such a rare size and resolution that no other monitor manufacturer offers it. Well, except for all of them. Sounds like you're behind the curve. Roll
Barakkus
#262 - 2011-11-30 05:14:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Barakkus
Tippia wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
Posted it in the other thread, this is the font they should have used, but I know too many people would QQ over it...
http://www.ffonts.net/Bank-Gothic-Light-BT.font

I use this for every part of windows whenever I set up a new machine, have for the last 10 years or so. I love it.

It's not a good font. There is no proper distinction between capital and lower-case letters aside from size. Proper lower-case letters are far easier to read than upper-case ones (more distinguishing cues, so less information needed to process, so quicker to read). It also falls into the same trap as the old font, with very little or even no distinction between similarly shaped glyphs (O0, B8, 5S), which gets increasingly worse at lower sizes.


It's quite readable at pretty much every size unless you're going down to 7pt or smaller, then most fonts aren't readable anyways. The B and the 8 are perfectly distinguishable at 8pt, the 5 and the S are perfectly distinguishable at 8pt. No distinguishing between upper and lower case, just makes it clearer what it is you're reading. The only issue with the font is the zero looks just like the letter O, but other than that, every letter and number is distinguishable from one another.

And it behaves similarly to a fixed width font.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#263 - 2011-11-30 05:14:49 UTC
Dinta Zembo wrote:
Hungry Eyes wrote:
i no longer need to wear my glasses to read the UI.


Soon I will have to wear glasses because of this UI.



I will soon have to find a new game.

The ugly font WAY over-rides the pretty nebula.... I mean really, which one do we look at more often?

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#264 - 2011-11-30 05:15:11 UTC
Julius Rigel wrote:
Abloobloobloo! Cry

Also, an option to select font size would be nice. We're not all 67-year-olds with sight problems or playing on our 3 mobile mobile phone screens.


This, TBH. x5

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#265 - 2011-11-30 05:16:41 UTC
JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:
I love the new font. It's legible.



Legible.... that's something to write home about...


That's the best you can do CCP? What do your artists think about the font being splattered all over their masterpieces?

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#266 - 2011-11-30 05:17:53 UTC
Shkolnica wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
It is currently not possible to toggle between the new font and the old one. While we appreciate that this is something a lot of people are asking for, it simply cannot be done in the current font rendering system.

So made it possible. Dont you have any programmers?


This. Make it happen like you fixed your other screw ups. Frankly this one affects gameplay FAR more than say gawd awful turret icons.... I have to see this crap EVERYWHERE.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#267 - 2011-11-30 05:18:26 UTC
Nalia White wrote:
i don't know how you even can say the new font is much more readable. you don't see dots at all. everything is clustered together due to it's size. stacked items in inventory are absolutely horrible to read... the ammunition count in the mods section is also very unreadable.

granted, for poor eyes it may be much more readable now like the guy said he can now read it even without glasses (btw i would wear the glasses still else you will hurt your eyes even more...)

and it's just pure ugly... now i live also in the philosophy "function before looks" but i find this new font to be both: bad looking AND worse to read... you even have to enlarge the chat window by factor 2 that it becomes readable...

and sorry i would have said something earlier but i was busy playing the game. i play actively since like 3 months and i have still so much to explore i wouldn't even know why i should play on a test server...

edit: i play on 1920x1200 windowed, on my second monitor there is another instance of eve running in 1280x1024, there the new font's are kind of ok as it is farther away from my head to the side but for my main screen it's just Ugh


listen to this person!

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Steveir
Hagukure
#268 - 2011-11-30 05:18:37 UTC
Charlie Jacobson wrote:
I happen to love the new font. I don't understand what the problem is.


Damn promiscus font, she said she would only ever love me! What a tart - she's mine I tell you; I love her more!!!
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#269 - 2011-11-30 05:19:16 UTC
Atridies wrote:
Personally, I hate the new font. I had the old font for 8 years and, it's not so much that theres something wrong with this font, its just that there was nothing wrong with the old font. At least we deserve the option to choose, it has such a huge impact on the game and has completely ruined my overview (atleast for the time being).

Lots of lovely graphical changes (which really are quite something), tarnished by this horrible font.

Either give us a choice, or give us the old font back.

And pinning windows. I liked pinning windows.

AT


GIVE US THE OLD FONT BACK

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#270 - 2011-11-30 05:19:53 UTC
Vin Ott wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
It is currently not possible to toggle between the new font and the old one. While we appreciate that this is something a lot of people are asking for, it simply cannot be done in the current font rendering system.


Make a new one then -_-


aye, just do it, no excuses. You made EVE... you can make the font.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#271 - 2011-11-30 05:20:26 UTC
Archa4 Badasaz wrote:
I hate this Font big time.
I don't know what it is, but my eyes just hurt, if i look at it for more then 10sec...
Why can't there be an option to choose atleast new or old font?

Or if it not possible to make this option - just make a vote on forum keep the new font or get the old one back...


yep -- i'd like to see this one ;)

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#272 - 2011-11-30 05:20:38 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
It's quite readable at pretty much every size unless you're going down to 7pt or smaller, then most fonts aren't readable anyways. The B and the 8 are perfectly distinguishable at 8pt, the 5 and the S are perfectly distinguishable at 8pt. No distinguishing between upper and lower case, just makes it clearer what it is you're reading. The only issue with the font is the zero looks just like the letter O, but other than that, every letter and number is distinguishable from one another.
The lack of upper and lower case differentiation is bad. There's a reason we have lower-case letters, and that's because they are much easier to read and to distinguish than the upper-case ones. All-caps does not make it clearer what you're reading — it makes it less clear and requires more effort.

As for the letter/number differentiation, ok, fine, maybe. That will come down to the font rendering, but it is still built around the same kind of “consistent base shape” as the old font and is therefore subject to the same issues of losing the defining differences at smaller sizes. The ones mentioned are those that immediately pop out as being particularly risky.
Billy Colorado
Evasion Gaming
#273 - 2011-11-30 05:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Billy Colorado
@Ris Dnalor I can't wait 'till you quit.

@CCP Thank you for the new font. I didn't realize I hated the old one until you presented me with this. Another small thing in the heap of win that is Crucible.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#274 - 2011-11-30 05:21:36 UTC
Spc One wrote:
Nalia White wrote:
pls add at least an option to choose or if that's not possible change it back, ty.

you don't see decimals at all and everything looks like ms-dos 20 years ago...

Yes.
Please CCP, add options.
1. New font
2. Old font


principle is the same as with ship spinning.
1. Ship spinning
2. Captain quarters.



great idea.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#275 - 2011-11-30 05:22:25 UTC
Shkolnica wrote:
I have to post in there.
font size/stile mess


A message for the times....

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#276 - 2011-11-30 05:22:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
I didnt say i couldnt recreate it. I just said that to do so i would end up with distorted icons, a compromise. Also, text in window tabs, ammo counters and various other places becomes too small and horrible to read.

http://clip2net.com/s/1mmgY

Just swapping to 100% scaling ONLY fixes the icons, but gives me far less space to work with than the old UI hence the overlapping windows here. Also the text becomes even uglier. I for one cant remember a single issue with reading the old font.

http://clip2net.com/s/1mmhu

There were some legitimate gripes for nullsec system names but fixing a few characters would have been all it took.

Oh, and a final word on ad hom. attacking an attribute of a person that could relate to the argument by definition is no ad hom. For example, how you play the game influences what you think of the game as per me saying you dont undock, hence no ad hom.
Me saying that you are somehow autistic because you are compulsively contrarian isnt an ad hom since again the accusation is relevant to the conclusion i was making.

Legitimate examples of ad homs from wiki:
"What would Mary know about fixing cars? She is a woman."

Now if that was ""What would Mary know about fixing cars? Shes never been near one." that would not be an ad hom and is more akin to what i said to you.

Seriously, i know its hard but its not THAT complicated.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#277 - 2011-11-30 05:24:26 UTC
Ohanka wrote:
New font makes the game freakin unplayable, and it reset my bloody UI, now i have to reorganise the UI completely, yeah, thanks CCP, for an unreadable font and a reset UI.

Unacceptable.


I agree completely.

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Emiko Luan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#278 - 2011-11-30 05:25:02 UTC
I for one love the new font, I can finally read the text easily \o/

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Hiryu Jin
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#279 - 2011-11-30 05:25:39 UTC
I actually had to stop playing. The new font gave me a massive headache. I don't know if it's the font itself, or maybe just not used to it, but I couldn't take it anymore and closed the game.

Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#280 - 2011-11-30 05:25:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Ris Dnalor
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Vaaron Remar wrote:
I have great problems using the new UI/Font (screen resolution 1680 x 1050). Evil

The new font ist way better readable than the old one, yes BUT !!!:

Setting UI scale to 100% and any icon looks good and everything ist scaled okay except the font in the menus, it's way too big.
If I want to see more than 4 columns the overview-window takes easily 1/3 to 1/2 of the screen (font-size in settings changes as usual only context menu font size). Changing UI-size to 90% makes the overview-font more tolerable (but not good!) but buttons and column headers are so tiny you have to guess what's written there. The relation between UI-scale and font-size doesn't seem to fit. It's possible to change the font-size in chat-windows and in the context-menu why is it not possible in overview ??? It's one, if not THE most important window in the game. It has lots of useful columns you want to have at hand in fight but showing them in a reasonable way without blocking the whole screen isn't possible anymore.

Hope there will be some fix soon Cry


There's an option in the overview settings to use small font Blink



did you even read his post? I'll highlight the parts that make your answer look like an idiot wrote it.

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