EVE General Discussion

the problem is the probing barrier. there will be players without friends who fall through the cracks. Thera will become a subscription killer just for being Thera. I didn't think about it until now, that it would be the cause of attrition, but it looks like it will cut the inexperienced from the herd of EVE like a roach motel (they check in, but don't check out).

Thera needs default warpable holes -or- concord police so players can take their time navigating and probing. As a C4 with a station, players will only be disappointed for going there thinking it's one thing, then discovering it's something else.

Thera is technically a C12 but that's just a quaint label.

I'm partly lost on the point you are making.

I understand that getting out is an issue and I'd rather not see bubbles there,
no matter the type ... but I believe or hope that players will take care of overall security eventually.

What I don't understand, is ... the rest regarding probing, Ctypes (never WH'd),
and why anyone would expect something else than what it is. What would that be?

I'm missing something here, but can't figure it out.

Is it not just an NPC nullsec system with customised mechanics to block combat capitals and deployable bubbles?

You can always set your clone to the school your character came from. No timer on that... But its still a ****** crutch for a broken system.

at rest, wormholes seclude themselves from the rest of EVE. If you wait just 1 day, your information is old and you have to build your bookmarks again. This alone precludes 90% of EVE (if not more) from making use of Thera.

Industry and market types are also, for the most part, not the same players. They are both PVPers of sorts, but they are also [both] guilty of habitually shitting on any plate that isn't theirs. The two types working together to build a pulse for Thera is highly unlikely. There's also no reason for it.

Players make the argument that it's impractical to camp all the connections in Thera. While that's likely true for one group, the reality is you only need to camp the few that connect to the types of systems that will have traffic. Especially highsec.

Players aren't just *mostly* risk averse. There's also little to no reward in Thera. Aside from belts, but if a player puts any ISK into a Thera belt hoping to come out net positive, they're just as out of touch as CCP's player event creators.

I am struck by the irony that CCP were originally surprised that people chose to live in wormholes, and now that they've made a wormhole specifically for living in, the vast overwhelming opinion is that people wont . Gotta love EvE players.

that's been done before. ;-)

Although I actully like the idea of Theran noobships coming with a probe launcher, I imagine that wouldn't be possible without changing whatever code currently gives us noobships (since we get the model relating to the player, not the station-type we are docked in).

Although I see your concern, I believe Thera walks a dangerous tightrope of almost immediately compromising the force-projection changes. Immediately once fatigue got dropped on us you saw groups looking to wormholes as the solution to get fleets cross-galaxy, and with Thera we now have a wormhole-hub (maybe we should have called it Atlanta), that courtesy of player-ingenuity already has player channels which report its connections. If you introduce rules to make Thera safer or its wormholes more stable or easy-to-find, you might be inviting jump fatigue getting dropped on wormholers too

No, I'm just trying to figure out why you think the ability to bubble = death on contact for any and everyone who wants to go in there.

Because it really doesn't.

It has pretty much all the mechanics to limit the creation of a large market and only one to facilitate it and that's not really a very good one.