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Escape from Damnation

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Spes Aeternam
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-11-29 07:09:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Spes Aeternam
Lords and Ladies, I am pleased to announce that I have escaped from my own Damnation. This is an confession and a plea. I will confess all the sins I have done, and plead for mercy and guidance.

I began my journey as a humble slave to the Amarr Empire. I lived a simple life filled with dignity as I knew the service I did was for the greater glory of God. However, the flames of discontent spread though my fellow workers and eventually consumed us all, myself included.

The rage which can burn inside a matari's blood can lead to some truly amazing, and horrifying things. In my youth and anger we slew our holder, not stopping at his wife and children. We simply killed them all, their cries for mercy and pain where drowned by our yells of victory and bloodlust.

We stole our master's ship and made our way to what we imagined our new homeland would be. During our flight in a small cramped quarters in the frigate the rage in me subsided and I saw all that was left inside me, utter blackness. I realized the horrors I have done and the sins to God and his servants.

The emptiness inside me lingered for years after I made it to the republic. I became part of the new Matari society and poured my entire being into the republic. I worked harder than I ever did as a slave, but for what? When I was in the Empire I was working on something much larger, much grander than myself. In the Republic everyone worked for themselves and cared nothing for their kin. I learned in those long years that the closest I ever had to a proper family was the holders in which I murdered.

My work was beginning to pay dividend. I was admired in a capsuleer program, fast-tracked for a career in the Republic Navy officer. I spent long years training my mind and body for war, but nothing would do anything for my damaged soul.

Last week, just prior to my graduation, a spark lit inside me. This small spark did more for me than any amount of boosters or booze. I realized that I could redeem myself and fill the void of my heart again.

As I said before, I have escaped from Damnation. I stole a Republic fleet Firetail and made a rush to Amarr as fast as I possibly could. I have just made dock at Amarr Emperor family academy station and I feel, for the first time in years, home.

I am tired but home.

Now I ask my fellow faithful, where should I go now? What can be done to repent for my long list of sins. Can anyone help guide my soul.

To those who think I'm a traitor for leaving the Republic... **** you. My life has been marred by sins so great I may never be able to save my soul in the eyes of God.

Spes Aeternam
Aboard the Sancti Angeli, Republic Firetail.
Rebel of the Rebellion
Kentt Em'asep
Clone Red Creations
#2 - 2011-11-29 07:31:34 UTC
Spes Aeternam wrote:
In the Republic everyone worked for themselves and cared nothing for their kin. I learned in those long years that the closest I ever had to a proper family was the holders in which I murdered.


Not sure which tribe you had found yourself at, but most I have seen are closer knit. It's hard to have a tribe when there is no one willing to work together and only for themselves. Then it is not much of a tribe, but a mismatched group who would simply throw a life away to save their own.

Spes Aeternam wrote:
To those who think I'm a traitor for leaving the Republic... **** you. My life has been marred by sins so great I may never be able to save my soul in the eyes of God.


There are of course many tribes, many who work within differently. Like have their own methods for living on and overcoming obsticles. I am sorry to hear your experiance after first leaving Amarrian space did not feel as fufilling as when you first entered Matari space with the thought of freedom and to make something more of yourself.

I won't do any preaching as it is not what I do. But as long as you feel that it is right then it would be right. From your point of view of course. Others whom have their own paths would think otherwise, but no one can control other's lifes. For myself, I believe there is no such thing as a man without sin. So even if you go to be saved... I doubt it would be any more then the words you can be saved, but as long as you fully accept God and put forth all you effort to the Amarr Empire... or something to that extent.

~"That's right. Today, tomorrow, the next day, and the day after that, and the day after that... from here on until forever, every time you look at my avatar - you'll see this scowl."~

~"Forever?"~

~"Yes - forever. It's what I do."~

Spes Aeternam
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-11-29 07:36:35 UTC
I was brought to Rens, the tribal 'bond's i saw where little more than gangs of thugs. At the end of the day freedom meant the right to trample on your brother's and sisters because you could.

I made something of myself, I am a capsuleer, not everyone comes to such an place.
Mikkel Lybecker
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-11-29 07:44:09 UTC
At least now I know where my Firetail went.
Kentt Em'asep
Clone Red Creations
#5 - 2011-11-29 07:49:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kentt Em'asep
Ahh, well there are defiently lots of small gangs about Republic space. Some with good intent and some with bad intent. Those are not tribes however. The gangs are there because more of them together would most likely mean whoever they went up against might have a chance at doing what is demanded of them, thus giving the gang some profit and allowing them to live how they liked.

But yes, that you have. Not many have come to the level of a capsuleer. I hope that someday, whatever you achieve, would be what your teachers at the acadamy would have hoped for.

~"That's right. Today, tomorrow, the next day, and the day after that, and the day after that... from here on until forever, every time you look at my avatar - you'll see this scowl."~

~"Forever?"~

~"Yes - forever. It's what I do."~

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-11-29 20:30:19 UTC
There's still the matter of the Holder and family you murdered.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Spes Aeternam
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-11-29 20:39:18 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
There's still the matter of the Holder and family you murdered.



That there is. I'm not sure anything I could ever do could resolve me of that particular crime. This is why I seek guidance from my betters as to what I can do.

Still, my faith has gotten me very far so far and I am not going to call it quits now. As I'm sure you all know my race is known to be a bit stubborn at times.
Kentt Em'asep
Clone Red Creations
#8 - 2011-11-29 20:46:57 UTC
Spes Aeternam wrote:

That there is. I'm not sure anything I could ever do could resolve me of that particular crime. This is why I seek guidance from my betters as to what I can do.

Still, my faith has gotten me very far so far and I am not going to call it quits now. As I'm sure you all know my race is known to be a bit stubborn at times.


Speak for yourself... and enjoy your time in Amarr space. I hope you don't get punished there by being assigned as a pilot for one of their slave ships. If you do, I hope it gives you something to think about.

I bid you peace.

~"That's right. Today, tomorrow, the next day, and the day after that, and the day after that... from here on until forever, every time you look at my avatar - you'll see this scowl."~

~"Forever?"~

~"Yes - forever. It's what I do."~

Spes Aeternam
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-11-29 20:55:06 UTC
If the empire called upon me to bring a load of my race to learn the ways of God I would be more than honored to have the chance to serve.

If I could change history and stay a slave I would gladly do so. My heart would be free from the sins which now burden me.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#10 - 2011-11-29 20:59:00 UTC
Sounds like someone lacked the fortitude to "make it" in Matari space. Oh well.

Freedom is about more than the adrenaline rush, the bloodlust, and the cry of victory (or sometimes, of unaccepted defeat). Freedom is just that: the power to make your own choice about what you want. It was your choice to escape your old master's yoke, and it is now your choice to return to Amarr. For that, I commend you.

However, there are many who never have that choice. Because of implants, the Vitoc method, or simply more force than you encountered, many are never allowed a free will -- even if they would make the choice to give it up as you have. I hope you realize this, and will never support slavery.

If you do, expect to find yourself staring down a lot of autocannon barrels.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Spes Aeternam
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-11-29 21:09:59 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Sounds like someone lacked the fortitude to "make it" in Matari space. Oh well.

Freedom is about more than the adrenaline rush, the bloodlust, and the cry of victory (or sometimes, of unaccepted defeat). Freedom is just that: the power to make your own choice about what you want. It was your choice to escape your old master's yoke, and it is now your choice to return to Amarr. For that, I commend you.

However, there are many who never have that choice. Because of implants, the Vitoc method, or simply more force than you encountered, many are never allowed a free will -- even if they would make the choice to give it up as you have. I hope you realize this, and will never support slavery.

If you do, expect to find yourself staring down a lot of autocannon barrels.


So basically what your saying is that the justification for doing evil is the fact that your free to do it...

I have done horrid things because I was free to do so. Sins to my own body, countless boosters and other carnal pleasures because I could. I have sinned in perhaps the most foul way possible, murdering an innocent man and his family for no reason other than that 'bloodlust' you speak as if your proud of it.

When a dog begins to bite and snarl, you put it in a cage, not let it loose and say 'look at it expressing its freedom.'
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#12 - 2011-11-29 21:30:25 UTC
Spes Aeternam wrote:

So basically what your saying is that the justification for doing evil is the fact that your free to do it...


No, I am saying that it is evil to not grant a fellow person the choice between good and evil. I am always free to open fire on whomever I want, but may be punished by CONCORD for my actions. That is fine. There are consequences to every action.

However there are many of our brothers and sisters who cannot choose to do anything but follow another's bidding. No matter how "impeccable" that bidding is (as judged by the master himself or by others), that is an affront against humanity.

Spes Aeternam wrote:

I have done horrid things because I was free to do so. Sins to my own body, countless boosters and other carnal pleasures because I could. I have sinned in perhaps the most foul way possible, murdering an innocent man and his family for no reason other than that 'bloodlust' you speak as if your proud of it.


These are the very reasons choice is important! A child that is not allowed to even conceive of fire will burn his hand if he first encounters it without supervision. That is what happened to you: lack of wisdom learned over a lifetime of free will was detrimental to your health. It is understandable that you want to retreat back under the wings of the Amarr lords after this, but tasting free life (and now, immortality) have marked you irreversibly. Better learn to live with it.

And so far as the bloodlust and your masters' lost lives... it's regrettable, for your sake. Whenever possible, Ushra'Khan fires the shots necessary for freedom, to spare the consciences of the newly-freed (if not for retribution against thousands of misdeeds against our brothers).

Spes Aeternam wrote:
When a dog begins to bite and snarl, you put it in a cage, not let it loose and say 'look at it expressing its freedom.'


While I have heard this argument many times, but it never makes sense. You are talking about freedom of movement, but I am not opposed to prisons. Correct me if I am wrong, but animals do not have freedom of choice to begin with, as they have neither souls, nor consciences.

People do. To take that away is to degrade them to beasts. You are free to wish that upon yourself, but others should be free to make the same choice.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Spes Aeternam
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-11-29 21:46:41 UTC
You speak about good and evil like it isn't clearly defined. It IS clearly defined. Gods word though scripture tells us humans exactly what good is and evil is. Because we KNOW with little doubt what right and wrong are it is the duty of Gods people to enforce his law.

You talk as if the ability to make my own choices have bettered me somehow. This couldn't be further from the truth! My own will has caused me to do irreparable harm. I don't accept 'i learned my lesson' as justification for what I have done. Since I was capable of murder of children I have obviously proven myself as nothing more than a beast.

Worse still the only thing I have learned from the whole experience is how much I enjoy killing. The adrenaline, the bloodlust, and the rage is more addictive than anything I have ever known. It is empty though. Completely hollow compared to the spender of God.

Since I have returned to the empire I have begun missions for the Amarr navy. My first was to destroy an freedom fighter outpost. I wasn't sure how it was going to feel to turn my guns of my Firetail on my former classmates at the academy. To kill my own blood for the good of the empire...

It felt marvelous.

Such is the curse of my damned blood. I pray my betters can cure me of such blood-lust.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#14 - 2011-11-29 22:08:46 UTC
Very simply.

You would rather be an Amarrian than a Minmatar. Ok, fine, please go ahead.

If you want to be an Amarrian, you're far better off over there, where you're less likely to be shot for supporting them. Although, as you killed a Holder, you will probably be shot there anyway.

I suggest you go to the Caldari State. They're always looking for hard workers, they don't mind if you worship, and they won't racially discriminate against you. Much. Also, the megacorps don;t expect you to do much free thinking. You'll be more than able to live there only taking orders from your boss.

..Or you can actually try finding a clan and doing things properly?

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#15 - 2011-11-29 22:22:11 UTC
Good and evil is all a matter of perspective. I believe that I am good. Your Amarr friends believe that they are good. I don't doubt that. Doing anything that you yourself believe is "evil" is... more than counter-intuitive. However, the definition of "good" and "evil" varies from person to person.

It so happens you chose to have your "good" and "evil" dictated by a book that has been rewritten so many times throughout the millennia that any semblance of its original content hardly remains. That is fine. Me, I choose to do what is right (for my brothers, for my Republic, for Ushra'Khan, and for humanity everywhere).

You have made your choice, and you believe it is good. You have made past choices you now believe to have been bad, so you strive to be better. I, too, have made my choice and I believe it is good. I, too, have committed acts in my past that I am not proud of.

It's called moral relativism and you Amarr seem to have a great deal of trouble with it. Focus your piety upon yourselves and be "good", such that others with the same vision will join you and approve of you. Some Amarr do this. Others impose this piety upon their lessers. However, that is not true piety. That is mindless slavery, fit only for beasts of burden, not people.

Otherwise, as a matter of honor, keep in mind that you will repay in full every drop of Matari blood you willfully spill.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Spes Aeternam
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-11-29 22:25:33 UTC
moral relativism asserts that there is a possibility of the scripture's being wrong or unholy. Since there is no chance of that being the case moral relativism is just an excuse for you and your ilk to do evil.
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#17 - 2011-11-29 22:29:24 UTC
The tribes and the clans within look after their people. But there is a catch. You have to want to be there, and you have to work to be there. They are vital components of Matari society and essential to our wellbeing as a people. They are not social clubs.

Matari society goes deeper than Rens bazaar. It goes from the grandest of the Republic's tribal circles and most esteemed offices right down to the family unit and individual Matari.

In short, your tribe will look after you, but you must look after your tribe.

I sincerely hope this clarification of sociology in the Republic helps your decision.

**Vherokior **

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#18 - 2011-11-29 22:30:32 UTC
So every time the mooks in charge of Amarr decide something is "good" they can just decree it, or write it in the scripture? For that is what they do!

I would understand having such faith in a decree made by your God himself, an infallible being, but not one made by people who are as flawed as you and I are.

Even your church accepts some degree of relativism. Heard of the Khanid Kingdom?

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Spes Aeternam
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-11-29 22:44:38 UTC
I don't think you get it. You act as if there is choice involved with this. There is no such thing! I find the values of the Matari people to be a disease which should be contained and destroyed.

I get these insane notions from people who 'value freedom of choice' to do what they feel is right. Then I am being told by those same people that what my choice is evil. Not only do you offend the word of God, but you offend your own values.

The absolute word of God decrees that there is ONE people whom follow his holy word. All others MUST be shown the way of the lord.



Mikkel Lybecker
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-11-29 23:08:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Mikkel Lybecker
Seeing as how you've supposedly turned religious but still having trouble figuring out the basic morality that religion's primary purpose is to teach, I'm going to help you.

Spes Aeternam wrote:
we slew our holder, not stopping at his wife and children. We simply killed them all, their cries for mercy and pain where drowned by our yells of victory and bloodlust.


Murder, first-degree. Multiple charges.

Spes Aeternam wrote:
We stole our master's ship


Theft.

Spes Aeternam wrote:
I stole a Republic fleet Firetail and made a rush to Amarr as fast as I possibly could.


Make that two counts of theft.

Spes Aeternam wrote:
ow I ask my fellow faithful, where should I go now?


Off the IGS and straight to jail.

If you seriously want redemption and forgiveness, not just from your god but also relatives of people you've killed etc, you can start by presenting yourself to the authorities and turning yourself in. I've heard there's free copies of Pax Amarria in Amarr prisons so you don't need to fear being disconnected from your god or whatever.

Also, I want my Firetail back. It had chrome-tipped exhaust pipes and racing stripes, and it was a gift, so hop to it. I'd appreciate it if you set up a contract to me in Pator before you begin your lengthy stay of incarceration.
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