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Emily Poast

The Whipping Post

Likes received: 67

#1 - 2011-11-29 07:00:51 UTC | Edited by: Emily Poast

The patch got me a bit nostalgic, so I ran a google search, and I will be damned if it wasnt there in all of its low-def glory:

Behold! Blasters kickin it Old School.

Now, lets post some new Thorax, Brutix, Mega and Hype fits for Crucible. I have five unfit thorax and a couple of Brutx in my hanger, and I'm feeling reckless.

Edit to add the other gunboats too. Id put some fits up myself, but Im getting on a plane.

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Liang Nuren No Salvation Divine Damnation Likes received: 4,453	#2 - 2011-11-29 07:07:39 UTC I'll get right on this. XD -Liang I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

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I likegirls Lost Puppy Relocation Services Sorority Likes received: 165	#3 - 2011-11-29 07:15:38 UTC 1 Mining lasers is the best way to go. Can earn 1.3 mil isk/hour in high sec.

Archare

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 116

#4 - 2011-11-29 07:33:24 UTC | Edited by: Archare

Here's one for Crucible

[Thorax, Crucifer]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Reactor Control Unit II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

298/343 OH dps with Fed Navy AM
237/273 OH with Null
add another 158 dps from hammerhead II's or 80 dps from warrior II's

If you swap an EANM for a Magstab you get
366/422 dps with AM with 31k EHP

And if you wanna be like a true precursor to the Diemost go dual magstabs for
438/504 dps with AM with 25k EHP
1212/1715 m/s
37k EHP

oh and did I mention it's cap stable with the MWD off?

Archare

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 116

#5 - 2011-11-29 07:52:18 UTC

And the classic shield brutix

[Brutix, Slightly better]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Hammerhead II x5

Basically same as pre-crucible with slightly more buffer since grid reduction on guns allow for replacing the RCU with a power diag instead. (52795 ehp increased to 54193)

Also 5% more damage as per the hybrid buff and 20% more tracking.

Speed goes up from 1112/1578 m/s to 1189/1687 m/s as well

Overall slightly better than before, and can now do just barely over 1k dps overheated with a full fight of hammers.


Liang Nuren No Salvation Divine Damnation Likes received: 4,453	#6 - 2011-11-29 08:11:33 UTC Some poking at this seems to suggest that the shield gank Thorax is actually somewhere between equal and better than a similar Rupture - both in terms of mobility and in terms of damage. Very interesting. -Liang I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Emily Poast

The Whipping Post

Likes received: 67

#7 - 2011-11-29 15:09:55 UTC

Liang Nuren wrote:

Some poking at this seems to suggest that the shield gank Thorax is actually somewhere between equal and better than a similar Rupture - both in terms of mobility and in terms of damage. Very interesting.

-Liang

Do share. ;)

That Brutix fit sickens me for it fits shield mods to a gallente ship. However, 1k dps is oddly - exciting. Ill fit one tonjght.

Also, with the 5 second ammo swap, and the tracking buff, I think void might be worth carrying now, just in case you run into something larger - or a DRAEK. Not like you would ever see a drake- they are super rare, right?

If I have time after my two flights tonight I will try to contribute a lol fit or two.

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Jesus Rambo Criterion. Minmatar Fleet Alliance Likes received: 72	#8 - 2011-11-29 18:38:56 UTC So, is it possible that the diemost could be good now?

Archare

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 116

#9 - 2011-11-29 19:56:33 UTC | Edited by: Archare

Sadly the diemost is still diemost, just with bigger teeth. The new changes look nice, but on paper the biggest changes really are on the cheapest ships. The thorax is great because for 15 mil you can get over 500dps with 30k ehp, while the deimos will get you roughly 653dps with 45k ehp for 120+mil all fighting within scram and web range.

[Deimos, Diemost still]

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Warp Scrambler II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive

Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Hammerhead II x5

653/ 728 dps With hammers.
Speed is 1529/2163 but honestly it will find itself scrammed and webbed often due to its engagement range

If you drop the neut you can load a full rack of neutrons giving you 687/767 with a flight of hammers. This requires a 3% PG implant though.

Another nice thing with the patch changes however is that the above fit is actually cap stable with the MWD off due to the cap usage reduction so you might actually neut someones cap if you live long enough.

Performance wise it does step up nicely from the thorax with increased range agility and speed but given you can fly a brutix at 1/3rd the cost with more dps/ehp and similar capabilities it's a tough sell.

Archare

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 116

#10 - 2011-11-29 22:52:20 UTC | Edited by: Archare

Hrm.... looking at the new change to hail here's one to wrap your brain around

[Thorax, AutoCrux]

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M

Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Stasis Webifier II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Reactor Control Unit II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Hammerhead II x5

218/251 dps with the new buffed hail ammo. Roughly 75 less dps than my earlier fit

Oh did I mention that optimal + falloff is double that of the other fit?
220mm Hail 1.35km optimal + 11km falloff = 12.35 km
Ions w/ CN AM 1.88km optimal + 5km falloff = 6.88 km

Suffers in tracking
Hail .106 vs Ion .165

but it's capless!

why do I use hybrids again?

Liang Nuren

No Salvation

Divine Damnation

Likes received: 4,453

#11 - 2011-11-29 23:28:44 UTC

Archare wrote:

218 DPS is really bad for a Thorax. Maybe that's a good reason to fit hybrids?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Archare

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 116

#12 - 2011-11-29 23:39:31 UTC

The dps is lower, but doesn't look as bad when you can shoot out twice as far... If you put those 220mm's on a standard 1600mm plate Rupture it has comparable dps with the new hail and a significant range advantage. I understand hail was useless, but this buff just eats away at what little ground hybrids had gained to begin with. I'm more in favor of changing it to the -25% falloff that was intended and then taking a look at void/conflag as well to improve them.

Liang Nuren

No Salvation

Divine Damnation

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#13 - 2011-11-29 23:46:52 UTC

Archare wrote:

So from my brief look at the situation last night:
- The Thorax is just as fast and agile as the Rupture. It will be much more difficult for the Rupture (or anyone else) to avoid close action if that's what you desire.
- The Thorax is capable of sporting a similarly sized tank.
- A kiting Thorax outdamages a similar Rupture to ~16km.
- All Thoraxes ******* dramatically outdamage the Rupture up close.

You're being stupid here.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

MeBiatch

GRR GOONS

Likes received: 2,108

#14 - 2011-11-30 00:05:13 UTC

[Hyperion, Hyperion fit]

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L

100MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Auxiliary Thrusters I
Large Auxiliary Thrusters I
Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints I

Vespa EC-600 x5
Warrior II x5
Warrior II x5

1804 m/s with heat on last about 1min 40 sec
12.5 sec align time
does 1000 dps with heat out to 40 km
56k ehp

plus 10 warrior II
and 5 vespa ecm

not bad at all...

if anything change the repper bonus and boost null range...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

MeBiatch

GRR GOONS

Likes received: 2,108

#15 - 2011-11-30 00:19:35 UTC

or how about the new rokh?

with heat on it has
123k ehp
goes 1119 m/s (hehe)
align 18.8 sec
shoots out to 85 km...
and with warriors does 802 dps

[Rokh, Rokh fit]

425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L

100MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I

Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Alticus C Bear

University of Caille

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 202

#16 - 2011-11-30 00:34:57 UTC

Shield seems to be the way to go. I like that it is really fast.

661dps
1705m/s
21,494ehp

[Thorax, Shield]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Overdrive Injector System II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Valkyrie II x5

Emily Poast

The Whipping Post

Likes received: 67

#17 - 2011-11-30 02:18:00 UTC

All these shield fits make me cry. Its sad armor tanking is so broken. All of the speed penalties dont play well with a ship that needs to scoot into range. I am hoping they will remove the speed penalty from armor rigs...

This isnt a pure gank fit, and it has an active/passive armor tank. I have seen first hand that this fit works in the right circumstances. Unfortunately, I, and a number of my squadmates, were on the wrong end of the barrels at the time. ;)

[Megathron, Kil2 - Crucible]
Adaptive Nano Plating II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Large Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Warp Scrambler II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800

Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Large Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
[empty rig slot]

Ogre II x5

88k EHP, 73/65/65/52, 198/257dps Tank,
Heavy Neut!
Dps is 1085/1201 with Ogres, Void = 1174/1303
1026/1141 with Zerkers, Void = 1115/1244

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Tanya Powers Doomheim Likes received: 2,092	#18 - 2011-11-30 02:26:49 UTC Liang Nuren wrote: Some poking at this seems to suggest that the shield gank Thorax is actually somewhere between equal and better than a similar Rupture - both in terms of mobility and in terms of damage. Very interesting. -Liang Only when it gets on top of the target witch is no change from what it was already.

Liang Nuren

No Salvation

Divine Damnation

Likes received: 4,453

#19 - 2011-11-30 02:45:17 UTC

Tanya Powers wrote:

Liang Nuren wrote:

Only when it gets on top of the target witch is no change from what it was already.

I agree. 16km+ is "right on top of its target".

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Onictus

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#20 - 2011-11-30 02:55:22 UTC

Emily Poast wrote:

Liang Nuren wrote:

I've been flying my Brutix that way for a while....I do the same with Hyperion.

I'm not purist, I shield or armor depending on situation.

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