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Competition: What I've learnt from Eve Online.

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Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#1 - 2014-12-10 01:24:35 UTC
EDU Gaming is hosting a new competition and you could win 200 million ISK!

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Simply tell us on our forum what you've learnt from your time playing Eve Online to be in with a chance to win and get your answer published as an official article.

Follow the link for more details:

http://www.edu-gaming.com/forum/eve-online/119-competition-what-i-ve-learnt-from-eve-online


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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2 - 2014-12-10 17:47:13 UTC
Deveshi Legate wrote:

Answers posted on this thread will not be counted in the competition.


Fine. I'm going to post here anyway.

What I have learned from playing EVE is that when given the choice between being a good guy or a complete asshat in a sandbox game, most people will take the low road.

Mr Epeen Cool
Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#3 - 2014-12-11 01:12:44 UTC
It's a very interesting point and a hot topic in social science at the moment.

I'm not sure if it's due to sandbox games but rather anonymity in general? The past 10 years have seen an explosion in connectivity that has been unprecedented and with that we seem to find accounts of trolling appearing in the news almost weekly.
Have a look at this paper about trolling and how it is portrayed and potentially fuelled by the media.

http://jonathanbishop.xxx/Library/Documents/EN/docIJWBCPaper_MoralPanic.pdf

One of the interesting points here is the distinction between classical trolling of the 1990’s and prior and anonymous trolling of the 2010’s. It is suggested that classical trolling existed to point out the strengths and weaknesses of a character by a communities ‘elders’ in a form of initiation so that they might integrate into that community more quickly. However, anonymous trolling as it is today has taken on a darker slant where people will abuse others for morbid personal enjoyment.

This raises a lot of questions about the mentality of internet users today and a shift from adopting others into ones community to pushing people away.
Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#4 - 2014-12-11 01:13:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Deveshi Legate
** Sorry, website double posted so I've deleted the second instance.

On a side note, I love your signature lol.
Marcus Gord
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-12-11 09:33:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Gord
what i learned from this game? geeze....communication skills, negotiation, scam detection, bullsh*t detection, how to effectively make quick decisions, leadership, budgeting, data mining, how to keep calm under pressure...

that's just what i came up with off the top of my head....

Edit: i also learned the most important thing: good friends are hard to come by, so look after them. some people pretend to be your friend so they can screw you over later. Some are only your friend until a storm comes along. Good friends help you weather the storm, and you help them do the same.

In a few moments you will have an experience that will seem completely real. It will be the result of your subconscious fears transformed to your conscious awareness.

http://i.imgur.com/LM2NKUf.png

Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#6 - 2014-12-11 09:36:14 UTC
Marcus Gord wrote:
what i learned from this game? geeze....communication skills, negotiation, scam detection, bullsh*t detection, how to effectively make quick decisions, leadership, budgeting, data mining, how to keep calm under pressure...

that's just what i came up with off the top of my head....


All good things :)

If you post that on our forum you could win some ISK as there's still 9 days left on the competition. 200 million to first place.
Marcus Gord
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-12-11 09:37:56 UTC
i'm at work, or i would. i'll do it later, if i remember.

In a few moments you will have an experience that will seem completely real. It will be the result of your subconscious fears transformed to your conscious awareness.

http://i.imgur.com/LM2NKUf.png

Falken Falcon
#8 - 2014-12-11 09:52:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Falken Falcon
Trust fully only your eve best friend.
If you decide to trust anyone else make sure you plan on getting donked or dropped.
Scam Detection V
It is always a trap, plan on it or avoid it

Aye, Sea Turtles

Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#9 - 2014-12-11 10:00:18 UTC
Eve has certainly created a lot of distrust in it's players. But I would agree that it's a valuable life lesson... Not quite sure how we would present this in schools though lol.
Marcus Gord
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-12-11 10:14:31 UTC
i wouldn't say distrust. just awareness that not everyone has the best intentions. So you have to approach things cautiously.

is it paranoia if they ARE out to get you?

In a few moments you will have an experience that will seem completely real. It will be the result of your subconscious fears transformed to your conscious awareness.

http://i.imgur.com/LM2NKUf.png

Falken Falcon
#11 - 2014-12-11 10:39:34 UTC
Can agree more on the post above

Aye, Sea Turtles

Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-12-11 11:02:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Graygor
Even better:

Eve taught me how to be an investment banker.

So i didnt wreck the economy, blame CCP!

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate

Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#13 - 2014-12-11 12:21:04 UTC
Graygor wrote:
Even better:

Eve taught me how to be an investment banker.

So i didnt wreck the economy, blame CCP!


I'd love to hear some more details on this and I'm sure there are people in our community that feel the same. We had a question posted last night about inflation in Eve online. Maybe with your background you could comment on that?

https://www.edu-gaming.com/forum/eve-online/129-eve-plex-prices-and-the-gold-standard#303
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#14 - 2014-12-11 15:02:36 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Deveshi Legate wrote:

Answers posted on this thread will not be counted in the competition.


Fine. I'm going to post here anyway.

What I have learned from playing EVE is that when given the choice between being a good guy or a complete asshat in a sandbox game, most people will take the low road.

Mr Epeen Cool


I see it a little differently. Sure, some people are natural pricks, but a lot of very nice people play dirty in Eve.

It's no different than little kids playing "cops and robbers...." somebody has to play the robbers, right? Does that make them an asshat?

I play both. I hang out ina certain pub channel and give away a lot of isk every day on my alt. I also keep this character in the channel. Everyone knowis its the samre person, I tell everyone that. I also tell them that ssab here is my evil incarnation, while said alt is my good guy. They get it, and they dont mind. It's pretend, andi ts fun playing BOTH sides imo.



\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project

Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#15 - 2014-12-11 21:18:09 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Deveshi Legate wrote:

Answers posted on this thread will not be counted in the competition.


Fine. I'm going to post here anyway.

What I have learned from playing EVE is that when given the choice between being a good guy or a complete asshat in a sandbox game, most people will take the low road.

Mr Epeen Cool


I see it a little differently. Sure, some people are natural pricks, but a lot of very nice people play dirty in Eve.

It's no different than little kids playing "cops and robbers...." somebody has to play the robbers, right? Does that make them an asshat?

I play both. I hang out ina certain pub channel and give away a lot of isk every day on my alt. I also keep this character in the channel. Everyone knowis its the samre person, I tell everyone that. I also tell them that ssab here is my evil incarnation, while said alt is my good guy. They get it, and they dont mind. It's pretend, andi ts fun playing BOTH sides imo.



Nicely said Big smile

Adding your own complex narrative is the bread and butter of sandbox and this is an example of it done well. I have to ask the question though, do you draw a line between 'playing the bad guy' and full on trolling as we discussed earlier (what I would call an asshat)?
Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
#16 - 2014-12-11 22:49:58 UTC
I simply learnt what a MMO really was, since Eve is my first and only experience in this domain. And the presence of a one shard universe where you can meet all kind of player and live unexpected adventure is something priceless.
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#17 - 2014-12-11 23:07:57 UTC
Deveshi Legate wrote:
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Deveshi Legate wrote:

Answers posted on this thread will not be counted in the competition.


Fine. I'm going to post here anyway.

What I have learned from playing EVE is that when given the choice between being a good guy or a complete asshat in a sandbox game, most people will take the low road.

Mr Epeen Cool


I see it a little differently. Sure, some people are natural pricks, but a lot of very nice people play dirty in Eve.

It's no different than little kids playing "cops and robbers...." somebody has to play the robbers, right? Does that make them an asshat?

I play both. I hang out ina certain pub channel and give away a lot of isk every day on my alt. I also keep this character in the channel. Everyone knowis its the samre person, I tell everyone that. I also tell them that ssab here is my evil incarnation, while said alt is my good guy. They get it, and they dont mind. It's pretend, andi ts fun playing BOTH sides imo.



Nicely said Big smile

Adding your own complex narrative is the bread and butter of sandbox and this is an example of it done well. I have to ask the question though, do you draw a line between 'playing the bad guy' and full on trolling as we discussed earlier (what I would call an asshat)?


One of my titles on ssab here used to be "Elite Troll" but we ran out of room on the titles so it's gone now . Cool

I have on occasion trolled deliciously well, as well as played probably the greatest prank of my life, which I will share with you, been wanting to post it for a while anyway.

First, I provoked a certain Spectre Fleet FC into rage. There was a mail sent out on the mailing list detailing a T1 T2T frig free for all. I love frig free for alls! Almost won the last one. Apparently the organizer had to go in to work, so someone else took over. They changed to rules to no T2 frigs, but didnt send that update out on the mailing list, so I didnt know. Nobody going by what was said on the mailing list knew now that the game had changed.

I make 33 jumps to the system the event it is, and wait like 2 freakin hours for the new organizers to get the damn thing started. It's now a 2v2 bracket tournament. OK, whatever. Mine and my partners turn come up, we warp to the organizer and our opponents.. and an opponent says, "hey, thats a T2 frig yuoure in!"

Sooo after making 33 jumps, waiting2 hours, and NOT getting an update on the mailing list, I was pissed. So I told this guy about himself. Here is what it evolved into. No pics but NSFW if u know what I mean. Much mad, so emo.

http://pastebin.com/46jYGx4S

So I am now "That Guy" and omfg EEEEVVVVVVVERRRRRYONE Agrees! boo hoo

I'll make another post about my ultimate prank on my CEO.

Yeah, most ppl know evil ssab here to be a nice guy, but yeah, I do troll in game some. But again, I help a lot of ppl too. It's like Gnostic Dualism, my good deeds match up to my bad. Karma is thus balanced Blink


\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project

Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#18 - 2014-12-12 02:29:58 UTC
Well, I'm not one to condone trolling but at least you are keeping it game related and trying to strike a balance!
Deveshi Legate
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#19 - 2014-12-12 02:32:36 UTC
Karl Jerr wrote:
I simply learnt what a MMO really was, since Eve is my first and only experience in this domain. And the presence of a one shard universe where you can meet all kind of player and live unexpected adventure is something priceless.


This is an excellent point and I agree that Eve operating a single shard universe offers a range of lessons. Mixing people from around the world in one place helps to break down boundaries and can be used to develop language skills.
Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
#20 - 2014-12-12 13:40:07 UTC
Deveshi Legate wrote:

This is an excellent point and I agree that Eve operating a single shard universe offers a range of lessons. Mixing people from around the world in one place helps to break down boundaries and can be used to develop language skills.

Exactly, and no game AI can give you much the surprise and laugh a group of human players, with sometime motives far away from yours, can give you. Some AIs can be good but not as unpredictable than a human, at least for now.
And yes I'm agree with you on your second part about communication; even if you play solo it is impossible by this way to be isolated from the others, one time or another you always begin to chat with other players and have fun. Like an immense and global chat room you can meet people from any point of the world (out of the Chinese who have their own server). Bear
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