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Quadima
HyperDreams Studios
#841 - 2014-12-18 06:10:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Quadima
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Shut up wrote:

How about we get our choice? Seems that s all we are asking for here. It is not a one size fits all type of game, never has been and never should be, it's all about options.

No, because if they did this every time they made a change to the game, the client would be too bloated to play.


What I wrote to CCP in a ticket as well, and if they continue to ignore it I will keep writing them every week, is
ONE SIMPLE REQUEST:

Allow us to disable the focus tracking animations/change in luminosity / translucency, blur
Just an option to keep the interface LOCKED in a fixed state ( no focus tracking, no animations, no blur, etc. )

... so the brain can be focused on the things that are moving and you actually CARE about
... like
... enemy
... SHIPS.

And yea, traders and other people who are clicking in the interface a lot, their eyes are getting tired really fast from all this blurry mess.

I'm quite sure that would not bloat the client, isn't it ?

p.s. - Ability to customize colors would be nice as well, yea.
With the icons, as ugly as they are, we can live with... but it wouldn't hurt to be able to put a different CUSTOM background color on each of them!
Sooooo many people would be please with just these very very simple changes to the interface.

AH YES, one final thing, option to make OPAQUE NEOCOM PLEASE !


2nd p.s. - Even if all of us that do not like the new interface are a minority ( a quite large minority ), we are still CUSTOMERS.
Customers which are totaling several thousand $ or Euro /month. I'm sure it would be wise for a business not to ignore that aspect ... at least try to make those customers less angry with small but significant improvements.
Daryn Lei
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#842 - 2014-12-18 11:32:02 UTC
Please just give us the option to revert to the old UI and Icons.

The interface is laggier than the old one, making it harder to have more than one account running at once.

The new icons are so samey, I have never in my eve career opened so many wrong windows by mistake.

The little white pixels in the corners of the windows are god awful. Just make the windows rectangular unless you're going to commit to doing proper rounded corners with transparent edges.

The WASD controls need a chasing cam and more love and attention to bring it into it's own, but I think it's deserving of more work.

The new renderer is very patchy when it comes to ship quality. Many of the Amarr ships are looking great, but other than that there are just as many ships that are looking really bad, like plastic toys rather than "real ships" like the devblog claims. I think many of the skins need updated to look good under the new system.
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
#843 - 2014-12-18 11:57:21 UTC
Quadima wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Shut up wrote:

How about we get our choice? Seems that s all we are asking for here. It is not a one size fits all type of game, never has been and never should be, it's all about options.

No, because if they did this every time they made a change to the game, the client would be too bloated to play.


What I wrote to CCP in a ticket as well, and if they continue to ignore it I will keep writing them every week, is
ONE SIMPLE REQUEST:

Allow us to disable the focus tracking animations/change in luminosity / translucency, blur
Just an option to keep the interface LOCKED in a fixed state ( no focus tracking, no animations, no blur, etc. )

... so the brain can be focused on the things that are moving and you actually CARE about
... like
... enemy
... SHIPS.
And yea, traders and other people who are clicking in the interface a lot, their eyes are getting tired really fast from all this blurry mess.

I'm quite sure that would not bloat the client, isn't it ?

p.s. - Ability to customize colors would be nice as well, yea.
With the icons, as ugly as they are, we can live with... but it wouldn't hurt to be able to put a different CUSTOM background color on each of them!
Sooooo many people would be please with just these very very simple changes to the interface.

AH YES, one final thing, option to make OPAQUE NEOCOM PLEASE !


2nd p.s. - Even if all of us that do not like the new interface are a minority ( a quite large minority ), we are still CUSTOMERS.
Customers which are totaling several thousand $ or Euro /month. I'm sure it would be wise for a business not to ignore that aspect ... at least try to make those customers less angry with small but significant improvements.


I have the same issue with the "selected window" transparency,
Ever since this patch I find myself CONSTANTLY selecting random windows again and again while in space, the reason:
I want the solidity on the "selected window" to go away, so that I can better see what's happening behind all the windows.

So yeah, I would very much like no part of the interface to ever move, or change, in any way, by itself.
Some of those changes are distracting, while others obfuscate actually useful things.
Remer Kraft
R Trast
#844 - 2014-12-18 16:37:13 UTC
Quadima wrote:
What I wrote to CCP in a ticket as well, and if they continue to ignore it I will keep writing them every week



I went on a test server and tried to write them on the forum.

LINK
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#845 - 2014-12-18 20:12:55 UTC
Can you please put the camera focus point of the Blackbird, Falcon and Rook in the centre of the ship like with every other ship in the game, rather than about fifty metres straight beneath the prow?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Daryn Lei
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#846 - 2014-12-19 01:18:20 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Aloysius Cedric wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Remer Kraft wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Would changing the interface back be fair to those of us that like it?
Or do you think everyone is on your side?

Not all, but many.
Read the forum, many asked to add a light background window or RGB color selection.
No need to remove the changes that have been made recently. It would be nice if the developers just added some color schemes, to make it comfortable to play all players.

Asking them to add more color schemes is definitely a reasonable request, but if you haven't already done so you should be specific about what you want.


Many people said that - they will be happy to have a "switch" in options to opt-out from new UI back to old one. And I am one of them. I will be more than happy to get rid of this eye blinding crap.

No, that's asking for something entirely different, and not so reasonable.

Do you realize just how much effort it would be to maintain two UIs instead of just one?
More than it's worth, that's how much. It's not some boolean value you can flip and automagically give everyone what they want.


I don't know why you're even assuming it is two seperate UI's. Looks to me EXACTLY like the old UI but with hard-coded themes and rediculous white pixels in the corners.

We should start calling it "the emperor's new UI".
Quadima
HyperDreams Studios
#847 - 2014-12-19 05:06:49 UTC
Daryn Lei wrote:
Looks to me EXACTLY like the old UI but with hard-coded themes and rediculous white pixels in the corners.


The old UI didn't flash like crazy when clicking on stuff...

Yea, I know, I sound like a broken record Roll
But then, paying for a couple of accounts (with real money) and not being able to play properly because of the headaches... And now CCP is in vacation and nothing is being done. Awesome ... Ugh
Galmas
United System's Commonwealth
#848 - 2014-12-19 11:01:11 UTC
Please can we get rid of this feature that dims the screen whenever some kind of in-game pop up shows up. (e.g. when moving items in stacks, downtime notification, fleet invite etc...)

Please, before i have to get treatment because of it...
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#849 - 2014-12-19 11:31:13 UTC
Quadima wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Shut up wrote:

How about we get our choice? Seems that s all we are asking for here. It is not a one size fits all type of game, never has been and never should be, it's all about options.

No, because if they did this every time they made a change to the game, the client would be too bloated to play.


What I wrote to CCP in a ticket as well, and if they continue to ignore it I will keep writing them every week, is
ONE SIMPLE REQUEST:

Allow us to disable the focus tracking animations/change in luminosity / translucency, blur
Just an option to keep the interface LOCKED in a fixed state ( no focus tracking, no animations, no blur, etc. )

... so the brain can be focused on the things that are moving and you actually CARE about
... like
... enemy
... SHIPS.

And yea, traders and other people who are clicking in the interface a lot, their eyes are getting tired really fast from all this blurry mess.

I'm quite sure that would not bloat the client, isn't it ?

p.s. - Ability to customize colors would be nice as well, yea.
With the icons, as ugly as they are, we can live with... but it wouldn't hurt to be able to put a different CUSTOM background color on each of them!
Sooooo many people would be please with just these very very simple changes to the interface.

AH YES, one final thing, option to make OPAQUE NEOCOM PLEASE !


2nd p.s. - Even if all of us that do not like the new interface are a minority ( a quite large minority ), we are still CUSTOMERS.
Customers which are totaling several thousand $ or Euro /month. I'm sure it would be wise for a business not to ignore that aspect ... at least try to make those customers less angry with small but significant improvements.

http://xkcd.com/1172/
Tub Thumping
Interstellar Hypermarket
#850 - 2014-12-19 14:43:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tub Thumping
pls get rid of the active flashing window pane checking 4 k of orders day is like being in disco whileplaying
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#851 - 2014-12-20 02:41:05 UTC
Removed an off topic post.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#852 - 2014-12-20 21:36:10 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Can you please put the camera focus point of the Blackbird, Falcon and Rook in the centre of the ship like with every other ship in the game, rather than about fifty metres straight beneath the prow?
Not just the rook/falcon/blackbird btw.... this has been an issue for quite some time with a number of ships... mega is one for instance, they are letting the game tell them where to center the camera instead of just telling the game where it really should be.
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#853 - 2014-12-20 23:03:00 UTC
Eraza wrote:
Quadima wrote:

What I wrote to CCP in a ticket as well, and if they continue to ignore it I will keep writing them every week, is
ONE SIMPLE REQUEST:

Allow us to disable the focus tracking animations/change in luminosity / translucency, blur
Just an option to keep the interface LOCKED in a fixed state ( no focus tracking, no animations, no blur, etc. )

... so the brain can be focused on the things that are moving and you actually CARE about
... like
... enemy
... SHIPS.
And yea, traders and other people who are clicking in the interface a lot, their eyes are getting tired really fast from all this blurry mess.

I'm quite sure that would not bloat the client, isn't it ?

p.s. - Ability to customize colors would be nice as well, yea.
With the icons, as ugly as they are, we can live with... but it wouldn't hurt to be able to put a different CUSTOM background color on each of them!
Sooooo many people would be please with just these very very simple changes to the interface.

AH YES, one final thing, option to make OPAQUE NEOCOM PLEASE !


2nd p.s. - Even if all of us that do not like the new interface are a minority ( a quite large minority ), we are still CUSTOMERS.
Customers which are totaling several thousand $ or Euro /month. I'm sure it would be wise for a business not to ignore that aspect ... at least try to make those customers less angry with small but significant improvements.


I have the same issue with the "selected window" transparency,
Ever since this patch I find myself CONSTANTLY selecting random windows again and again while in space, the reason:
I want the solidity on the "selected window" to go away, so that I can better see what's happening behind all the windows.

So yeah, I would very much like no part of the interface to ever move, or change, in any way, by itself.
Some of those changes are distracting, while others obfuscate actually useful things.

Can't explain it better, than this. So, just shamelessly quoting both.
Just a thoughts of logging back into game giving me instant headache. And that feeling repeat itself each time I'm forced to undock or go through a gate.
The windows randomly changing in opacity are just a salt on open wounds - not make it any easier.

Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
#854 - 2014-12-23 21:14:03 UTC
Thought I would give a "two weeks of adjusting to the new UI" update.
I have been playing every day for this time.

It still takes me a minimum of two extra seconds to find the icon I want, after focusing on the shortcut bar.
While it was still colored, I could find it without focusing on the shortcut bar it at all.
Also the custom UI color sliders we used to have, were awesome, I'm really starting to miss those, as my optimal setting is no longer possible at all.

I would really like to disable the "selected window" transparency change, it's both distracting, and in the way of me seeing clearly whatever is behind that window.

Window borders get VERY confusing if you have a lot of them open, I adjusted to this by closing and reopening windows a lot, otherwise they become a blurry mess if I stack them.
This wastes time though.

The annoying fade popup box has gone from some areas. however it still happens in others, like when selling things, and in buy price warnings.
Optimally that box needs to not steal and lock focus.
Due to this focus lock, I have started considering some things, like the market, to not be safe to operate while in space.

And last but not least, chat blink was what was giving me a headache, I don't know exactly what changed, but for now, I'll need to live with not knowing if channels are busy or not.
Kane Temper
Temper Towing Salvage and Security Services.
#855 - 2014-12-23 23:47:01 UTC
I've disabled transparency and unpinned windows that I need fast access to data from, like the overview and selected item windows. At least when they are solid, I can see the text and not be distracted by the transparency. works for now, but I would prefer to have them pinned.
Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#856 - 2014-12-24 00:44:42 UTC
Daryn Lei wrote:
Please just give us the option to revert to the old UI and Icons.

The interface is laggier than the old one, making it harder to have more than one account running at once.

The new icons are so samey, I have never in my eve career opened so many wrong windows by mistake.

The little white pixels in the corners of the windows are god awful. Just make the windows rectangular unless you're going to commit to doing proper rounded corners with transparent edges.

The WASD controls need a chasing cam and more love and attention to bring it into it's own, but I think it's deserving of more work.

The new renderer is very patchy when it comes to ship quality. Many of the Amarr ships are looking great, but other than that there are just as many ships that are looking really bad, like plastic toys rather than "real ships" like the devblog claims. I think many of the skins need updated to look good under the new system.





This.

The new icons are very indistinct and similar in appearance.
Oraac Ensor
#857 - 2014-12-24 02:36:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
I wish pinned windows were fully transparent as before - I don't like them only semi-transparent.
DUBLYUR
Doomheim
#858 - 2014-12-24 05:33:07 UTC
CCP very busy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMTkedIUX8U

They will not respond.

Will play another game. Elite: Dangerous for example.

By ccp.
Ed MarKeen
East Domain Inc.
#859 - 2014-12-24 06:50:31 UTC
What really disappoint me is the lack of response from CCP.

No response to email.
No response to ticket.
No response in the forum.

Is hard to decide if I have to renew my account, or if I have to save my money and do something else.
Mara Kell
Herrscher der Zeit
Pandemic Horde
#860 - 2014-12-24 11:59:35 UTC
Ed MarKeen wrote:
What really disappoint me is the lack of response from CCP.

No response to email.
No response to ticket.
No response in the forum.

Is hard to decide if I have to renew my account, or if I have to save my money and do something else.


Well either their are ignoring us deliberatly or the new "improved" updatecycle forces them into new stuff instead of optimizing the mess that Rhea is. I actually dont know which alternative is better...

I mean whats the worth of all the shortly announced changes and improvements when the UI forces people into other games?