Wormholes

Well, we've had Frig holes for a while now, and they don't seem to be driving content or interactions in any meaningful way, Imho. They are a bit useful for scouting/scanning to find a particular hole, but that's about it.

I'd like to suggest that they be opened up to ~25M jump mass, so that T3 cruisers can roam thru them.

That's an improper ellipsis and use of 'Your'.

I TOLD YOU TO STOP MAKING US LOOK BAD YOU DESOLATE SPY.



Look, if there's anything that does not need less restrictions, it's T3 gangs. Frig holes are not encouraging interaction, they're encouraging the solo bomber and sneaky 'stero. You want to bring your already completely broken and OP T3 Gang through a Frigate Hole? Too bad. That's what a frig hole is.


EDIT: You can already get Hictors, Desi's and D3's through, so why do they need to be bigger?

I knew and said they would suck before they were implemented. Does that make me a wipster?

Every time I see a frigate hole in a C6 or C5, I go "meh". I can see them working in something like a C2, but as they are in higher class holes, the feature is an entirely uninteresting gimmick.

inb4 'of course BRAVE in defense of frig holes'

I agree, though. There's not really a grand amount of things you can do with a Frig hole, it's a particular issue to higher class wormhole corps. But you can't really say nothing comes of them. They're excellent for soloers and bombers, and make great escape pipes for frig roams and warping away in a starburst.

vOv I like 'em.

The reason frigate holes were a wash was they didn't really drive any new conflict. The reason for that is more or less a lack of content. Right now running sites tends to be in larger ships, which tend to be dominated by T3s (one reason to say no to this discussion, anything that breaks that up and encourages variety is a good thing), and stuff like POS bashing and defending takes larger ships, and with the presence of all those larger ships, most fights tend to involve cruisers and BCs.

In such an environment, a mass of frigates isn't the best thing to get into a fight in since you aren't going to outmass them, and you aren't likely to outnumber very many groups. That leaves trying to nab travelers which isn't the funnest thing in existence, and if you did want to do that, gate camps tend to get more hits due to having more traffic.

Of course, there still is some use pushing around scouts and bombers and using them to further roams into K-space.
Hopefully with the new frigate only systems, more frigates will actually be flying around which should, hopefully, lead to more fights on the other side of these small holes.

I'd also, personally, like it if they added some sites gated to only frigates and destroyers to the standard wormhole systems, so there's some content actually designed for smaller ships (frigate systems are still standard sites AFAIK, with Wolf rayet effects tacked on as a hack to make small ships actually usable). That would also help drive use of small holes.

Higher class holes, though, tend to get run in T3 or larger groups. Something for lesser ships there would help improve the frigate population. and even if it's possible to run lower class sites in smaller ships, I can't say I have seen it happen all that often.

As for the new systems being bonused for frigates, again, I think that's something of a band-aid to make up for the fact there isn't any WH content actually geared towards those ships, so they have to make the ships fit the content. if they DID have frigate sites, then they'd be able to have the new shattered systems have different effects.

Yeah, these comments pretty much mirror my thoughts. However, maybe the D3's will make them useful, so i guess we should wait and see.

I think they are great. I have had lots of content in them so far. So as we can make claims with no justification ala OP. I think all holes should just be frigate only. Because I only fly Frigates so all things should just work for me! F*ck cruisers HACs T3s all hauler things BC command ships BS Blops etc etc

C1 = 348
C2 = 528*2
C3 = 495
C4 = 505*2
C5 = 512
C6 = 113

Total = 3534 static wormholes

And you are complaining about some little wandering connections.

From a wormhole corp's perspective I can understand how frig hole can be viewed as pointless nuisances. They are almost impossible to roll away and not many wormhole pilots want to get out of that shiny T3 or HAC hull and leave their logistics behind. However from our point of view they have been fantastic. We use wormhole chains with frig connections almost daily and the increased frequency of connections has added a LOT of content.