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Gallente pilot wanting to solo C1/C2
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Drone Bei
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-12-06 22:19:17 UTC
I'm interested in heading back into W-space but I'm a bit worried based on some of the things I've been seeing that all my skills are ineffective in wormholes.

Right now, i have pretty good armor skills and gallente ship skills so that I can fit a great mission tank on my myrmidon with t2 sentries, but after looking at some of the characteristics of W-space anomalies and sleepers, I feel like I"ll get neuted so that I can't run my tank and lose my drones when the sleepers switch to them.

And I don't really have much for weapon skills outside of my drone skills so I hit like a wet noodle with my guns.


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So...outside of training over to a drake or other passive shield tank (myrm seems like it can do it), what is a shorter range target for training that will let me get in with a cap stable tank that can take some neuting that isn't 90% reliant on drone dps?

Or can you give me some tips for using what I have (T2 armor myrm with t2 light, med, and sentry drones) that will help me get into W-space to do some anomolies and some data/relic sites.
Nitris Denitrace
WeebFleet
Tsundere Triad
#2 - 2014-12-06 22:37:25 UTC
Actually, drones work rather well in J-Space as far as I know.

A Myrmidon can very easily solo C2's, and especially a C1. Neuts in C2's and C1's are relatively weak and are mitigated with Cap Boosters. I don't know your personal fit, but I would highly recommend fit a self rep and two cap boosters with plenty of charges in your hold to tank the neuts.

Gunnery skills are completely unnecessary on a drone boat like the Myrmidon. Most fits I've seen don't even bother with T2 guns simply because they're not worth the cap and you can fit something more useful like Drone Link Augmentators. The guns are just there for additional DPS output, the drones are your real damage source.

Personally speaking I think the Myrm is a bit overkill for C2's and C1's though, I typically fly an Ishkur when I solo. Similar fitting, Cap Boosts, Ancillary Armor Reps with drones in the cargo and a depot deployed in case the Sleepers start alphaing my drones. Keep your traversal up and the BS's won't be able to hit you, and you should be able to tank the rest.


As for what to train I don't have any ideas on that front vOv
Drone Bei
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-12-07 02:09:01 UTC
I've been seeing a lot about how sleepers just murder drones.

How realistic is it to use light/med drones for the sites? Should I expect to have to pull them back every few minutes?
Nitris Denitrace
WeebFleet
Tsundere Triad
#4 - 2014-12-07 03:24:59 UTC
Drone Bei wrote:

How realistic is it to use light/med drones for the sites? Should I expect to have to pull them back every few minutes?


Yes. You won't be able to just afk rat like you can in K-Space, it's just too dangerous and you'll lose drones. Just keep an eye on your drones and pull the one being primaried and you'll be good.
Chev Alsar
Van Diemen's Demise
Northern Coalition.
#5 - 2014-12-08 01:38:19 UTC
It's easily doable in a Myrmidon, just be prepared to lose the occasional drone.

Use a Target Painter the rest of your mids should be a prop mod and 3 cap rechargers.

Sleepers hate any Electronic Warfare and this will make them switch to your drones a little less often.

I recommend ignoring C1s as they are trash and go for C2s, stay away from C3s as the neuting will leave you in a pod in short order.
Borsek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2014-12-08 17:34:33 UTC
Use remote armor reps in hislots for drones (like 1 medium instead of **** rails), rring drones seems to aggro sleepers as well as helping your wounded drone. C3s are soloable in a dominix (or were, anyway).

Tbh I'd go with a vexor/ishtar for c1/2. Depending on the site and range sleepers spawn at (to sentry or not to sentry, that is the question.
Ghenghis Kralj
Big Johnson's
#7 - 2014-12-08 17:48:23 UTC
c1 and c2 space isn't bad for drone agro and you should have enough time to recall.

Now the other one that might work for you is a navy vexor or gila (overkill). You should be able to shield fit these with a high enough passive regen to not need cap boosters or cap for that matter! Target painter or some sort of RR is great to draw sleeper agro.

I would also suggest joining a corp in that space first. preferably c2 to learn the finer points and mechanics. Just my 2 cents. I think NOMEX is still in c2 space and have been known to welcome newer players to their wh class.
Zand Vor
OpSec.
Wrong Hole.
#8 - 2014-12-09 20:32:05 UTC
Gila is great for C1's and C2's, but is shield based. Navy Vexor or an Ishtar should work fine. The neuts of a C2 aren't a problem unless you really badly screw up and kill the spawn triggers fast, but there's no scram so you can warp out if you need to. Make sure you have a plan for salvaging what you kill, too.

NOMEX/Low-Class is always looking for good pilots (ty for the recommendation Ghenghis!) Interested? http://anomalous.low-class.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4839

Please fix wormhole combat sites: c1 20mil - c2 40 mil - c3 80 mil - c4 160 mil - c5 320 mil - c6 640 mil
Lister Vindaloo
5 Tons of Flax
#9 - 2014-12-10 06:06:56 UTC
I prefer a shield buffer fit for my wormhole myrm, let's me fit dda's, I fit 3 dda ii's a dcu II and 2 beta reactor shield rechargers, mids depend on skills and don't worry about turrets, save your cap. For rigs I fit 2 field purgers and 1 field extender, I get over 200 shield recharge per second, and 67k ehp. Armor Myrm can do it too but less versatile, as tank kills drone dps, you may need turrets to help making you less cap stable.

I find C1 and 2's very easy solo, I orbit an MTU and concentrate on micromanaging drones, just don't forget D-scan and consider a depot and spare fittings in the cargo hold, for when pew happens....
Drak Morgan
Society of the Prevention of Cruelty to Drones
#10 - 2014-12-10 07:46:55 UTC
Nitris Denitrace wrote:
Keep your traversal up and the BS's won't be able to hit you, and you should be able to tank the rest.

O_o Did I miss something in the patch? Since when are Sleeper BS in C1s and C2s... that might actually make them more fun. To my knowledge all sleepers in c1-3 are frigs and cruisers, though I've never been in a cap in a C3 or lower so I don't know if BS spawn on escalations ... ;)

You can solo C1 and C2 sites in any BC or larger ship. Your issue will be finding a WH that lets anything bigger than medium ships into the lower class j-space, so a RR domi is going to spend more time looking for holes it can fit in than anything else if you are going to stick with C1s and C2s. I've soloed in AF, HAC, and BC, the Myrm will do the job in even relic and data sites in a C2, make sure you omni tank and recall your drones when the sleepers start targeting them. Honestly though in low class j-space sleepers target your drones a lot less than they do in C4s and 5s. Light up your RR and watch it draw the agro back.

The sleepers aren't what you need to be worried about in j-space. What you should be more worried about is OTHER pilots in the same hole you are in.
Janeway84
Insane's Asylum
#11 - 2014-12-10 12:12:39 UTC
sleeper bs can be found in c2 and up.
Shon Anzomi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-12-10 15:32:57 UTC
Just yesterday I was bored, so I stalked one wormhole dweller as he was running his plexes and stuff. He did not seem to have any problems with drones and was slaughtering sleepers easily.
Drak Morgan
Society of the Prevention of Cruelty to Drones
#13 - 2014-12-11 13:52:27 UTC
Janeway84 wrote:
sleeper bs can be found in c2 and up.

Oops You're right... I'd forgotten about some of those 3rd waves that spawn one in C2s.Oops It's been along time since I just ran sites in a C2.