Science & Industry

Your best advancement is into something other than mining. The isk is pretty mediocre compared to pretty much anything else.

Alternately, if you are the type of person who like to mind 80+ hours a month, you can advance by getting more accounts and multbox mining(although be warned this is getting nerfed, although not removed). You would start with a second mining ship, then get an orca booster, then 8 more mining ships.

Since when is multibox mining getting nerfed?

may be you can do but you just ecor very easely play multiplayer box surtou in mining

If you are mining in high sec you will not need to skill up for almost every ore type. You will definitely want the following ones:

Veldspar, Scordite, Omber, Jaspet, Hemorphite, & Hedbergite.

Dependent on which racial space you mine in you will want Plagioclase or Pyroxeres as well.

Don't bother with Kernite as it is uneconomic to mine.

If you don't need minerals yourself for production it is best to acquire a small POS tower and compression array and compress all your ores. Sell them based on the best ie highest 'buy order' prices at Jita. (Use one of your alts to have a char permanently at Jita to do price checks. Third party price sources are quite often inaccurate or misleading.) Do the maths and work out the maximum high sec reprocessing mineral values for all the ores you deal in. A fair bit of this calculation only needs to be done once and then be stored. You only need to online the POS & array for an hour at a time so costs are minimal.

Don't haul the compressed ore to a trade hub - leave that for the buyer to sort out. Since the industry changes a billion ISK worth of compressed ore can be hauled in a Mastodon. It's easy to do so never sell too cheap otherwise you are giving your profit away.

Not to mention atm nothing in WH's or Null-sec is worth mining......

That's one of the issues with mining currently.

the risk/reward is WAY out of wack.

Do to the massive mex shortage you make the most money smashing plag and pyro rocks in high-sec.




Now IF/WHEN that situation corrects itself.... Or CCP corrects it. Then you might consider sneaking into a WH for an hour or two, but until the ore values are more inline when what they "should" be. There's no point.

This is incomplete advice. More accurately, the risk of mining ore here is not worth the minimal increase in reward. But they are not just PvP zones - they are full of valuable resources for the brave to collect. They are the only place worth doing Planetary Interaction for example.

However, if you really like mining solo, the best ISK/h probably is ninja mining high-end wormhole gas at over 100m ISK/h if you can find the sites efficiently and have T2 gas miners. The Venture is dirt cheap and an excellent gas miner, and even a Prospect (which is even better) can be replaced easily in just one load of the top tier gas. There is a bit of an art to it to avoid the Sleeper NPCs, not to mention the other players who will try to kill you, but might represent the best ISK-per-hour you are going to get.

Unfortunately for ore, nothing as rewarding exists in dangerous space. Therefore, without the support of a corporation providing protection, the "end game" is probably organizing or multiboxing a boosted fleet in highsec. There are anomalies that you can look for which contain rarer ores, but most of the time you will be mining ore (or ice) at the predictable spots making it a rather dull profession.

Yeah..... The tool I use has it as the Number 1 Hi sec ore as well today.

Although the 0.0 ores seem to be artificially high as well, even as the demand and volume numbers have it as in the tank as ever.


Someone seems to be doing some tinkering.

I NEVER deal in misinformation and if I make an error it is just that and I will endeavour to apologise for it.

A good option for Kernite is indeed to leave stocks of it at NPC stations where there are level four Storyline mission agents. Their standard storyline missions require, I think, 8000 units of Kernite, for which you get a +4 attribute implant as a mission reward. You can charge over the odds for the Kernite there and people will buy it to save time on haulage etc.

I'm not sure which ore found in high sec is currently the most valuable. At a guess it is probably Hedbergite or Hemorphite derived from anomalies in high sec if you can find one. Below that if you can't source Pyroxeres then you won't go far wrong mining Veldspar & Plagioclase.

Regarding Kernite if you time yourself mining it then mining something else eg Plagioclase you will find that due to the weight of Kernite you will make far more ISK mining Plagioclase than Kernite. There is a possibility that regionally where there is no Plagioclase in-belt that Kernite may sell at a higher price. Maybe that's where the confusion lies. But if you're leaving it up to the buyer to haul, and you should be doing this now, then you should be selling based on Jita prices. In this scenario Plagioclase will be the better ore over Kernite.

I won't name the third party sites I refer to so they don't get embarrassed but some of them have figures that are misleading at best. One states that if you have eg five Hulks in a fleet they will each mine more ore than if you have eg three Hulks in a fleet. This idea is quite clearly bonkers. I am admittedly a bit of a luddite but I generally prefer to do my own maths then I get accurate figures.

And that's why I started my answer with a nice big and wide 'smiley'!

I did have to definitely query your point about Kernite, however, as I simply knew it to be a very odd statement.

Whilst kernite is quite large - my figures were certainly based upon an isk/m3 index, so I stand by it. So, apart from anomalies, Kernite would be, today, the ore I would pay most for in High Sec.

Where you are (the local market) does make a difference (I'll travel some way for a good deal - but there are limits!) - I'd even note that, compared to the nicely organised list above, I would currently have Pyroxeres even lower than Veldspar! (Only just, mind you).

No need, the core of your advice is good - it's not worth the additional risk. I just wanted to make it clear that there are good reasons to leave highsec other than just for PvP - and wormhole gas is one of them.