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Periodic Melted Nanoribbon Post - Buy Now!
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esquimo leviticus
ACE Trucking Co.
#81 - 2014-12-30 22:00:04 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge for market overlord, please keep the trollolz coming. Like your style, 101% class. Twisted
RAW23
#82 - 2014-12-31 09:59:15 UTC
Jerry - I know you're a troll mate but try to keep the trolling consistent in at least the same post Blink

I predicted nothing but I guessed right?

People lost their isk because of me but only made 11%?

Roll

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#83 - 2014-12-31 10:48:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerry T Pepridge
RAW23 wrote:

People lost their isk because of me but only made 11%?


yup, the ones holding the bag now, do you still have any left or are u out? loved the if it reaches the 3.5 buy post, lemme guess thats your break even?

spin all you want pommy, market price is below your opening post, you failed Big smile

@JerryTPepridge
RAW23
#84 - 2014-12-31 10:56:46 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:


yup, the ones holding the bag now, do you still have any left or are u out? loved the if it reaches the 3.5 buy post, lemme guess thats your break even?


Are you following a kind of collage approach to this discussion where you take random thoughts and juxtapose them artistically with no concern for linear structure? Because in your last post your claim was that I was 'holding the bag' having bought in on the previous spike whereas now 3.5 is my break even point, despite 3.5 being more or less the historical market low.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#85 - 2014-12-31 11:20:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerry T Pepridge
RAW23 wrote:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:


yup, the ones holding the bag now, do you still have any left or are u out? loved the if it reaches the 3.5 buy post, lemme guess thats your break even?


Are you following a kind of collage approach to this discussion where you take random thoughts and juxtapose them artistically with no concern for linear structure? Because in your last post your claim was that I was 'holding the bag' having bought in on the previous spike whereas now 3.5 is my break even point, despite 3.5 being more or less the historical market low.


oh im sorry, i dint check the historical low, u got me there. good to know the thread where OP says these will go up, he also says 2 weeks later were at historical low. Lol

so here we have a bullet point of what has happened to nanoribbons.

  • CCP added some demand, the price spiked, but that was mainly speculators, spiked then crashed.

  • price hovered at 3.6-3.7-3.8 for a few months

  • CCP announces new WH systems, more sleepers, more supply, and a new T3 Ship!

  • you speculate, i repeat speculate (guess) a price rise, based on :words: historical irrelevant data due to release of new variables to the equation. you make a bold, thread to buy now. (wanna be the next akita T?)

  • you begin backpedling here:

  • price rises slightly ~3.87

  • big fish sees it, big fish buys all to 4.5m you hang your hat one someone elses manip attempt (likely due to this thread)

  • big fish fails to place a floor order as u put it. And also forgets these are basdeline items, and the things these actually make are already in oversupply / cheaper to buy than build.

  • price tumbles steadily, as the ones holding the bag from the last spike (your mate cista) dump onto the new 3.8, 3,9 buy orders

  • to today. where it is at historical lows as you put it. no big floor orders.


reason im even posting here is from the get go, i felt you had no idea what you were talking about, had obs never WH'd b4, and i felt strongly that you only made the thread to offload your stock (and you mate custa) stock from the last spike.

~snip~

@JerryTPepridge
RAW23
#86 - 2014-12-31 12:07:42 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
Jerry - there is so much that is simply wrong in your post (no big floor orders ... apart from the 6000 unit order; someone bought up all the stock up to 4.5mil ... except the market history shows the high buy that day at under 4mil because the rise wasn't due to a buy up but to stocks being lifted), and you are so obviously unwilling to discuss things in good faith, that it is not worth responding to your post in detail as you'll just shift your ground yet again.


Here's my bullet point list for the thread:

-I claim that the price is currently being held down by deliberate downwards pressure and that when this pressure is released the price will spike. I also make a suggestion about where the price might settle if the pressure comes off entirely and for a significant period of time.

-When the pressure is briefly released by the repositioning of the stocks held at 4mil up to 4.5mil the price obviously does spike.

-People who bought when I suggested and sold when I suggested book profits of 12-17% depending on how fast to react they are, which is not bad at all for 15 days in a major raw material market.

-Thread would have ended there but you ask me what I think will happen when the price starts being pushed down again and I give a second prediction.

-A change in circumstances leads me to issue a warning about that second prediction and advise people to exercise caution.

-You continue to claim people have lost isk because of me despite the price at no point dropping below my suggested by-in price.

Obviously, you will continue to make such claims in the face of the facts and will continue to argue that I was trying to unload my own stock on unsuspecting gullible MD forum readers. That's the kind of trolling you admitted you created your character for, so there is nothing I can say to get you to engage in a good faith discussion on the topic.

Jerry T Pepridge wrote:

reason im even posting here is from the get go, i felt you had no idea what you were talking about, had obs never WH'd b4, and i felt strongly that you only made the thread to offload your stock (and you mate custa) stock from the last spike.



Nah, it's because your character is a toon set up for the specific, and publicly admitted, purpose of trolling and you are posting in pretty much every thread on MD at the moment in pretty much the same way.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#87 - 2014-12-31 12:17:25 UTC
Hard to trust anyone advising to buy or sell in the market forum :)
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#88 - 2014-12-31 14:56:53 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
RAW23 wrote:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:


yup, the ones holding the bag now, do you still have any left or are u out? loved the if it reaches the 3.5 buy post, lemme guess thats your break even?


Are you following a kind of collage approach to this discussion where you take random thoughts and juxtapose them artistically with no concern for linear structure? Because in your last post your claim was that I was 'holding the bag' having bought in on the previous spike whereas now 3.5 is my break even point, despite 3.5 being more or less the historical market low.


TRUTH




Ouch... Raw the scammer. I don't think he was scamming though as much as these "big market" guys around here actually don't have a freaking clue.

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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#89 - 2014-12-31 15:09:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerry T Pepridge
still no reason to make a thread about it, only motives are:

"i want to dump my stock." 80%
"I was right / epeen / i want to be relevant" 19%

some ppl here know what i do "20b" don't listen to him, hes just a butthurt troll.

if anything my objection to buying solidified your position. (and made it funnier for me too)

sorry this is eve, this thread will follow you & what you have to say about things around for quite a while my friend. I did make my points clear and concise earlier in the thread.(allbeit in a trolly manner)

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

Ouch... Raw the scammer. I don't think he was scamming though as much as these "big market" guys around here actually don't have a freaking clue.


I take back calling him a scammer also. p petty, apologies raw.

btw raw you mentioned i didnt engage you in the thread, but you never responded to all but one or 2 points here ?

EDIT: when i said buys all to 4.5m i mean he bought alot and relisted at 4.5 (just to clarify raw Smile)

@JerryTPepridge
Makhpella
Bad Taste.
#90 - 2014-12-31 20:31:56 UTC
Thats really coward to play the "jerry is troll" card. Defending this ****** speculation just shows how insecure you are.

When the price was above 4m I really doubt you managed even sell your 4b stock. Jita was the only place where the price spiked(pretty poor manipulation) so no real demand and then I can imagine heavy undercutting and very low demand. So the outcome was the price around 3.9m next day and falling. If you managed to sell your stock for the price over 4m then lucky you. I dont believe that it was possible to dump bigger stock for such price.

When I invest in something, I expect profit. If I end up in loss or even, I dont consider it success. There is plenty items you can trade for 5-10% margin and I dont see reason to make thread about them. The window to make 10+% was very very small and was only due to manipulation.
RAW23
#91 - 2015-01-01 11:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
The steam rising from the troll brigade in the last few posts over a thread that made a successful buy recommendation is palpable. I know you would have all been happier if people had lost isk so you could wave your 'I told you so banners' but watching you fall back on 'profits not high enough = virtually a scammer' is pretty funny. No one lost isk, some people made a reasonable bit, OP success Big smile

Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
still no reason to make a thread about it, only motives are:

"i want to dump my stock." 80%
"I was right / epeen / i want to be relevant" 19%


The name of the forum is Market Discussions Jerry. There could have been a nice reasoned discussion in this thread about the pros and cons of the recommendation if you had showed an interest in that rather than in flinging as much poo as you could in the hope that some would stick, regardless of the coherence of your various points with one another. I'm not saying you haven't made any valid or interesting points at all but your willingness to change your line of attack from one moment to the next and even within the same post in such a way that you end up presenting a set of claims that are not coherent with one another shows pretty clearly what your motivation for engaging in this thread is ("if anything my objection to buying solidified your position. (and made it funnier for me too)").

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I take back calling him a scammer also. p petty, apologies raw.


Well, that's kind of you.

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sorry this is eve, this thread will follow you & what you have to say about things around for quite a while my friend.


Oh no - I'll be forever tarred with the memory of that terrible thread where I helped people to make some money. Whatever shall I do?

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btw raw you mentioned i didnt engage you in the thread, but you never responded to all but one or 2 points here ?


Well, there's not much there to respond to. You speculate about what changes CCP might make in future patches and how these might affect T3 prices in the long run. I can't pretend to know either how CCP will actually change things or what the actual effect from actual changes will be since it's all in the realm of speculation. Some of what you say sounds fairly plausible but is hardly relevant to this thread.

Makhpella wrote:
Thats really coward to play the "jerry is troll" card. Defending this ****** speculation just shows how insecure you are.

When the price was above 4m I really doubt you managed even sell your 4b stock. Jita was the only place where the price spiked(pretty poor manipulation) so no real demand and then I can imagine heavy undercutting and very low demand. So the outcome was the price around 3.9m next day and falling. If you managed to sell your stock for the price over 4m then lucky you. I dont believe that it was possible to dump bigger stock for such price.

When I invest in something, I expect profit. If I end up in loss or even, I dont consider it success. There is plenty items you can trade for 5-10% margin and I dont see reason to make thread about them. The window to make 10+% was very very small and was only due to manipulation.


How callous of me to point out that a troll is trolling and how impolite of me to be unwilling to engage! I'll make an effort to comb through your posting history for some lessons on civil and mutually beneficial discussion, that should set me right.

I've got to say, I love it when people whose only contributions to the forums are troll posts and mockery get outraged. Truly delicious.

As to the 'not winning fast enough' line, well, you show your ignorance of broader market conditions when you compare a fundamental raw material that normally trades with a tiny margin (as do all the other raw mats) with the run of the mill items that traders flip all the time. There were also about 5 days on which one could have sold at c.10% profit. The window for selling above that was pretty short but it was there. The fact is that we are arguing here over whether the speculation was this successful or that successful. You're pissed off that it was a success at all and I'm happy that it was a success at all - I can live with that.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#92 - 2015-01-01 12:40:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerry T Pepridge
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:

do you still have any left or are u out?


aww no answer, just deflection that i'm a troll, while you play the victim?

the ceiling for these atm is 3.810.000 if you have to ask how i got this number, you a bigger spud that i thought. What? this number could change as if you look closely at the the sell orders for the Fullerene Intercalated sheets, there is only a few orders set to the lower price (7.7)others are above it. (9.6)

A small shift upwards should now occur now as Fullerene Intercalated Sheets are currently cheaper to build when buying from nano ribbons from sell orders, i made a note of this when the price rose past the build/buy break even point, but you didn't see it, you were busy hanging your hat.

when tryong to manip a raw product's price is not pushing the market above it. It is pulled from the product it turns into above, at least thats the case in EVE. you needed to adjust all the other items this one turns into.

a manufacturer of T3 parts ( a few have posted here) will run these calc to determine what is to build or buy. when they see that nothing above the subsystem components is to be built, the price of nano ribbons stagnates. as none are being consumed. (cheaper to buy the components from market than build right?)

reason the parts went up, there was a big buy of Proteus & legion hulls (aka nullsec fleet or a master manipulator) assume with the hulls, the subsystems went with them.

If you want to make some money on this one, adjust the price of the sheets today. then you can make another 10%

personally, id rather just flip items for 10%

don;t listen to jerry he;s a troll right?

so answer me pls, do you still have these or are u out?

@JerryTPepridge
RAW23
#93 - 2015-01-01 13:07:22 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:

do you still have any left or are u out?


aww no answer, just deflection that i'm a troll, while you play the victim?


Sorry, I didn't realise you actually needed an answer to that question given that I posted the time to sell over a week ago.

The stuff on FICs is ... interesting in a number of ways. Did you look at the volumes they normally trade in? Or that market's ability to actually supply a fraction of the components for final builds?

LolLol

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#94 - 2015-01-01 13:23:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerry T Pepridge
RAW23 wrote:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:

do you still have any left or are u out?


aww no answer, just deflection that i'm a troll, while you play the victim?


Sorry, I didn't realise you actually needed an answer to that question given that I posted the time to sell over a week ago.

The stuff on FICs is ... interesting in a number of ways. Did you look at the volumes they normally trade in? Or that market's ability to actually supply a fraction of the components for final builds?

LolLol


can't argue the math raw, look again, volume is irrelevant for a manufacturing calc. only thing that matter is build / buy.

volume of those is tapering down with the increase buy of nanoribbon.

same ppl buying nano ribbon, are buying part ;)

question is, will the FIC reach the nano ribbon, or will the nano ribbon reach the FIC build buy. Smile

if your out of these then perhaps lock the thread?

@JerryTPepridge
Epikurus
TheBlacklist
#95 - 2015-01-01 13:46:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Epikurus
hmmm
RAW23
#96 - 2015-01-01 13:47:25 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
RAW23 wrote:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:

do you still have any left or are u out?


aww no answer, just deflection that i'm a troll, while you play the victim?


Sorry, I didn't realise you actually needed an answer to that question given that I posted the time to sell over a week ago.

The stuff on FICs is ... interesting in a number of ways. Did you look at the volumes they normally trade in? Or that market's ability to actually supply a fraction of the components for final builds?

LolLol


can't argue the math raw, look again, volume is irrelevant for a manufacturing calc. only thing that matter is build / buy.

volume of those is tapering down with the increase buy of nanoribbon.

same ppl buying nano ribbon, are buying part ;)



I'm not saying you're wrong on the manipulation being viable. It's just such a tiny market that I'm a little bemused by how proud you seem to be about the prediction. But go you! I guess.

The other reason I mention the volume is this:

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the price of nano ribbons stagnates. as none are being consumed. (cheaper to buy the components from market than build right?)


The T3 component market is so small that it can't support more than a fraction of T3 builds and so won't be a major part of the calculations people make concerning whether to buy nanoribbons or not. If the market were to expand to a significant size the people building comps would have to ... buy more nanoribbons from the market.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Makhpella
Bad Taste.
#97 - 2015-01-01 13:56:08 UTC
Pointless to argue with denialist c...
RAW23
#98 - 2015-01-01 13:56:40 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:


if your out of these then perhaps lock the thread?


Seems drastic. I'm happy to let it die naturally. If we both stop posting it'll be gone quickly Blink

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#99 - 2015-01-01 13:57:02 UTC
i would argue the t3 component volumes are the true volume of actual use, the volume of nanoribbon is traders (you yourself being one of them)

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RAW23
#100 - 2015-01-01 14:12:08 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
i would argue the t3 component volumes are the true volume of actual use, the volume of nanoribbon is traders (you yourself being one of them)



Ummm ... not sure if serious. The average volume of FICs sold in Jita this month is enough to build about 25 hulls a day. That's it. No subsystems, just 25 hulls.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.