Market Discussions

Just look at the dates the orders were set

There are loads of small orders, all at the current price point, that haven't been updated for the last ten days or more. It was the same with the long list of orders below the current price that have now been cleared. And you can see it again in the interval between 4.1 and 4.5mil. You can also see that lots of them are clustered - 2 or 3 orders set very close in time together, then a gap of a few hours followed by another cluster.

Edit - Note also the evidence of backfilling the stacked orders. The order of 866 units at 3859999.01 was set after the order below it. See also the 3 unit order at 3863009.25, which was set 7 days after 10 of the orders that are fractionally below it in price (but set on a 7 day timer rather than 90 day to make this fact less obvious). There's two more with the same pattern slightly above too (118 units and 58 units). And the big blocking stack of 2.8k units, which has now been updated was updated after three of the orders below it, apparently making no attempt to actually get to the top of the list. That's because it's not meant to sell - it's meant to encourage other people to sell at a lower price point.

Of course, I could just be seeing patterns where there are none

Until either the downwards manipulation stops or the upward pressure burns through it. No idea which will happen first (you'll note that at no point did I suggest that this was a quick turnaround suggestion or a 'patch day' investment). The upwards pressure has already burnt through a quite considerable stock of the blocking orders but it's anyone's guess as to when the tipping point will be. My own best guess is under a month.

Sure - often you won't bother updating to get ahead of small orders below you. But when you do update you would almost certainly put yourself on top rather than aiming for the fourth spot if there is only 0.05 isk difference between the two positions.

The bag is just going to get heavier and heavier, now the patch has hit, we are + 100 new WH systems. + Thera (no ratting there tho)

heres a thread with some of the new systems mapped out.

For those that don't know or are hisec players like OP, these nanoribbon drop from the salvage of the NPC wrecks in the WH "sites", like any system there is 100% scannable sites (and sites that you need to probe down, mining/gas,relic, data that have NPC also) that don't need to be probed down. These are the bread and butter of WH profits.

These new systems, will connect to Existing WH owners, Hisec, lowsec, nullsec.

For instance a C6-c3 static, means the owners live in a C6 & do the escalations, but also gives players the option of running the C3 sites from the neighbouring WH. these connections typically last 16-24 hours. these connection holes have mechanics that open > close hole using Mass of ship, its a fine art, but most WH corps can open and close holes, so if nothing in neighbour, they close and connect to new "juicy" system.

so all this info means what?

what you are seeing is panic selling, nothing more. no great mastermind pinning prices down when theres no new buy orders placed (only 1 guy @3.7m likely some idiot reading this about to be dunked) who will almost certainly be holding the same bag you are.

ill take them off your hands for ~500k a piece.

So, Gas will go up, as "aint nobody got time for dat" WH salvage loot will drop across the board.

TL:DR Don't listen to anyone in EVE.

Especially a thread where i beleive OP knew the price would drop, and made this thread to palm off his liability to you people.

QFT

Threads like these are the reason I don't buy into markets unless I clearly understand the underlying production and end use dynamics of an item.

I somewhat know that MNs come from Sleeper salvage and that they are the limiting reagent in producing strategic cruisers, but I don't know what else goes into T3s, or if the introduction of tactical destroyers will change the overall limiting reagent.

So, I'll just sit back and watch the trainwreck while buying Item X in preparation for the multiboxing changes.

Why would I dump them? I posted this thread because I thought the market was at bottom and it was time to buy, not because I thought they would sky-rocket immediately. Patience, young one, patience.

And I'd like to see Candy's screenshot

Maybe you're not dumping them, but your alt certainly is. And yes, I have screesnshots, but you don't need to see them to know that you're lying.

I assume your are not a T3 producer, so let me shed some light on the MNR spike.

The spike in late October was do to the fact that the BOM of the 3 "minor" subsystems was changed, which meant that you could produce those subsystems for around 15m and sell them later for 40-60m using the new BOM. So every T3 producer that was not living under a rock, squeezed out every billion of isk they could get and produced those changed subs until the patch hit. Even at a 8-10m price-point for MNR your would still had make a very good profit. The problem was that at some point in the following days some of the needed other materials where completely sold out in EvE, so that there was no point in buying more MNR at even higher prices. That was the only reason you see this crazy spike, not T3 destroyer, not market manipulation.

Than ofc after the patch hit prices went back to normal and the current low is also do to the fact, that many producers did sit now on thousands of subsystems they needed to sell over a longer period of time (1-2 month), while most of there cash was "frozen" this way. So they ofc took breaks from normal production cycles and demand for MNR slowed down.

Apologies for the harsh tome of my above post, and thank you for the explanation.