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Please don't release the new font

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#21 - 2011-11-28 21:57:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Aphoxema G wrote:
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
You have the nice polished smaller font using in chat already, why do you not use it elsewhere in the UI?

http://i.imgur.com/sJnMk.jpg

nice and polished indeed .... Roll


B B S S O O?


Smile Nope.

B 8 5 S 0 O

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Barakkus
#22 - 2011-11-28 21:58:08 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
The new font makes the game look like it's 10 years old. It's pretty awful.
Seriously, just use Arial, Tahoma or some sort of San Serif.


Heh, they even agree that the font doesn't look very "SciFi", but I'll take readability over style in this case.


It doesn't even need to be sci-fi, just not look like something you would see on an Apple IIe or some crap. It's pretty horrible, makes the entire game look awful and it's no more readable than what we have now. Actually harder to read depending on how small you like your chat text.


I can't go along with you there, after struggling (a lot) this past year to read EVE text I'm not having any difficulties what-so-ever reading the new one.

That being said, I fully respect that everyone's eyes are different, and if they don't fall into the "normal" category others may have difficulties with it that I do not have.


It's actually very unreadable when you make it smaller. The spacing between the letters as certain sizes makes regular spaces indistinguishable, so everything looks like it was typed with no spaces.

This is the font I use for everything that would be a much better substitute:
http://www.font-zone.com/download.php?fid=153

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Korsiri
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-11-28 21:59:24 UTC
Aphoxema G wrote:
I haven't had that issue at all. In fact, the difficulty reading the old font with my aging eyes is a reason why I haven't been playing EVE as much... That and Skyrim.


This

Do NOT change new font please!!

The old one is killing me.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#24 - 2011-11-28 22:02:49 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
The new font makes the game look like it's 10 years old. It's pretty awful.
Seriously, just use Arial, Tahoma or some sort of San Serif.


Heh, they even agree that the font doesn't look very "SciFi", but I'll take readability over style in this case.


It doesn't even need to be sci-fi, just not look like something you would see on an Apple IIe or some crap. It's pretty horrible, makes the entire game look awful and it's no more readable than what we have now. Actually harder to read depending on how small you like your chat text.


I can't go along with you there, after struggling (a lot) this past year to read EVE text I'm not having any difficulties what-so-ever reading the new one.

That being said, I fully respect that everyone's eyes are different, and if they don't fall into the "normal" category others may have difficulties with it that I do not have.


It's actually very unreadable when you make it smaller. The spacing between the letters as certain sizes makes regular spaces indistinguishable, so everything looks like it was typed with no spaces.

This is the font I use for everything that would be a much better substitute:
http://www.font-zone.com/download.php?fid=153


I probably haven't squeezed my font down that small and haven't noticed it. This thread will probably get CCP Punkturis attention on the issue. Sounds like spacing adjustments at least should be made.

I do like that font you linked, but the advertisement that pops up when you try to stop the deafeningly loud advertisement video is very annoying. Smile

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cBOLTSON
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2011-11-28 22:02:59 UTC
Aphoxema G wrote:
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
You have the nice polished smaller font using in chat already, why do you not use it elsewhere in the UI?

http://i.imgur.com/sJnMk.jpg

nice and polished indeed .... Roll


B B S S O O?



No I think its 88 55 00 .... must be a code! oooooo o_0

:P

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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2011-11-28 22:03:22 UTC
Barakkus wrote:

It's actually very unreadable when you make it smaller. The spacing between the letters as certain sizes makes regular spaces indistinguishable, so everything looks like it was typed with no spaces.

This is the font I use for everything that would be a much better substitute:
http://www.font-zone.com/download.php?fid=153



This is exactly my problem. Because I use the font at small sizes, they needs to be at least as readable as the old one.

But now they don't. CCP has put in some nice small fonts into chat with wide letter spacings, why can't you put them into everywhere else in the UI?

Please don't make it another half-done updates. Please make the small font readable thanks.
Liam Mirren
#27 - 2011-11-28 22:09:10 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
The new font makes the game look like it's 10 years old. It's pretty awful.
Seriously, just use Arial, Tahoma or some sort of San Serif.


Have to agree, the new font looks childish and is just as annoying as Comic Sans.

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Barakkus
#28 - 2011-11-28 22:09:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Barakkus
Ranger 1 wrote:

I probably haven't squeezed my font down that small and haven't noticed it. This thread will probably get CCP Punkturis attention on the issue. Sounds like spacing adjustments at least should be made.

I do like that font you linked, but the advertisement that pops up when you try to stop the deafeningly loud advertisement video is very annoying. Smile


Yeah I try to maximize the amount of text in my chat windows because I have timestamps enabled and don't like having giant chat windows, my windows take up enough real estate as it is. http://www.randomhost.org/eveui.jpg - which is even worse when I pvp, b/c I have local right next to the fleet window squished in there and the scanner open where my cargo is.

Sorry about the advertisements, I use chrome and have all plugins disabled by default, so I never see the ads.

There is a size that makes it quite readable and still small, just not as small as I would like it, and the names of people speaking are almost indistinguishable from the chat text.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-11-28 22:13:04 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Bank Gothic LT is a good choice actually but I think too many people would QQ about it, although I usually set up windows to use that font for everything every time I get a new computer.


That's one really nice font !

I usually never pay attention to the font,
altough i recognize a bad one pretty easily. (haha ^^)

This one feels very good to my eyes,
it's clear and distinct.

I'll download it and give it a go.

Thanks ! :D
Barakkus
#30 - 2011-11-28 22:15:56 UTC
Yeah and it's sorta sci-fi lookin lol

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#31 - 2011-11-28 22:19:27 UTC
mr. OP

what fontsize are you using for your context menu? at least not the default one!

I would check myself to see what size is looking squashed like this but I'm at home and haven't gotten sisi set up there..

are you maybe scaling your UI to 90%?

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#32 - 2011-11-28 22:19:58 UTC
Eve neu sans narrow version I think is in order.

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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-11-28 22:22:27 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
mr. OP

what fontsize are you using for your context menu? at least not the default one!

I would check myself to see what size is looking squashed like this but I'm at home and haven't gotten sisi set up there..

are you maybe scaling your UI to 90%?


Yes, I'm using UI 90%. And menu size 9.

The small fonts in chat (A- button) looks very nice compared to the same sized text anywhere else (the wide spacing is a NEED for the small text so +1 on that). Why you no make it universal?
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2011-11-28 22:23:39 UTC
PS I'm a ms.
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2011-11-28 22:25:32 UTC
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#36 - 2011-11-28 22:26:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Aphoxema G
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
PS I'm a woman.


Ought to put it in your sig and wish for the best... though I gave up on any hopes of it a long time ago.
Liam Mirren
#37 - 2011-11-28 22:28:46 UTC
That Bank Gothic is very nice and has a good "eve feel" about it. It's stylish, recognisable and easy on the eyes. I'd pay money to have that used.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#38 - 2011-11-28 22:30:22 UTC
You know I hated the new font on Sisi at first but now I got used to it. It's actually easier to read. Only problem now seems to be with the number 8 and the letter B.
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#39 - 2011-11-28 22:31:47 UTC
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
mr. OP

what fontsize are you using for your context menu? at least not the default one!

I would check myself to see what size is looking squashed like this but I'm at home and haven't gotten sisi set up there..

are you maybe scaling your UI to 90%?


Yes, I'm using UI 90%. And menu size 9.

The small fonts in chat (A- button) looks very nice compared to the same sized text anywhere else (the wide spacing is a NEED for the small text so +1 on that). Why you no make it universal?


90% scaling does not work the same as when you make the text smaller in chat.
This has been stated a few times on the forums as has it been explained that 90% is for those who are willing to loose some readability to more window space.

I think it's pretty unfair to post a pic of text where a lot has been changed in your settings (font size and scaling, specially 90% scaling) to prove your point of the font not being readable enough. If you want to use 90% scaling I recommend you use a larger fontsize in your context menus.

fly safe and have fun ms.!

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FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2011-11-28 22:32:20 UTC
I like it, as long as I dont mess with the UI size. When the UI is smaller, it made it a bit hard to read but not bad honestly.

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